Congratulations to the age 72 winners!

[markers]

I think 2:2 should be given the heads up that they'll be removed from the charts immediately upon the first actioning.

I agree with this. Good action by devs but maybe a disclaimer included in future actionings

[Thelord]

The other example you're using is before our time, so I can't really comment on it. This is the first time we've actioned a FW since we took over.

Here's the thing -- in a closed system, deleting provinces remove resources that other kingdoms could acquire, and shapes the chart. You're in a system where Sparta was, let's say, #4 land after the FW (~equivalent of #5 currently). The action we did take (deleting provinces, removing WW bonus, suspending them) removed any immediate gains they received -- they exited the FW smaller than they entered it. In an ideal world (and we plan to in the future; we couldn't here due to time constraints) we would also remove gains from any province that gained acres in the war itself. At that point, where they haven't profited from it, easier to let the age play out and remove them from rankings at the end rather than directly shape kingdoms capacity to interact with each other up front. Maybe it's better to delete them at the time as well, but either way you do it, it's going to effect how the rest of the age plays out.

My personal preference, would not be to delete the 3-5 players in both kingdoms who reported it as a fake war as punishing them doesn't seem appropriate -- instead they had the opportunity to leave the kingdom/defect their provinces if they wanted to keep their achievements to date -- and then punish the kingdom at the end of the age.


We had never formally announced any policy relating to cheating, as we had never had to deal with more than the constant creation spam of folks getting deleted for multiing.


Don't cheat, and you don't have to worry about wasting your time.

Being a mod, u handled the situation badly and with ur explanation it look even worse. U cant be telling players this is ur first time actioning due to violating of rule. If there is a rule, there should have a set of punishing and like CRs previously mentioned that punishing should be serve immediately rather than periodically. Worse still is after age ended.

[Judge]

Being a mod, u handled the situation badly and with ur explanation it look even worse. U cant be telling players this is ur first time actioning due to violating of rule. If there is a rule, there should have a set of punishing and like CRs previously mentioned that punishing should be serve immediately rather than periodically. Worse still is after age ended.

There is a simple rule of not cheating. Still you violated that rule. Stop crying Wolf!

[Proteus]

@JeffT the issue with your approach is it prevented true competition for what could have been a legitimate crown. At this point in the age, the kd you actioned had an insurmountable advantage (short of GB by everyone but not enough time to make things fair after and enable competition) so everyone else gave up. Had these intentions been known, there would have been actual competition for the #2 spot knowing it would turn into the #1 spot. Hence there was no real winner. I think better communication is needed.

Additionally, you guys shouldn't really count on the server to action cheaters that's hardly ever works. Best if the admins do it and let everyone else enjoy the game than being removed from their goals to police people. It's up the admins to ensure integrity is upheld rather than self policing as such policing has always been hypocritical and for selfish gain.

When proper punishment happens too late, players are tuned out and already give up on the age. The harm has already been done in spite of the outcome and this age has been wasted for those who actually competed for land / NW rankings.

[markers]

I think we should sue them for the money spent :)

You'll just waste more money. Absolutely no case here.

[Goodwitch]

Bashing the top and how everyone is a ****playing cheater all age. Eoa defends the cheaters lul.

To clarify, I am not defending cheaters at all.
I am just saying that this decision is problematic.

Let's say you , or anyone really, is in the top networth spot because they have all leet armies at the end of the age...
then after age has ended the devs make the announcement that the leet nw value was dropped down and now someone else takes the 1st nw spot.
would that be cool with everyone?

as they say, timing is everything.

[Avenger]

To clarify, I am not defending cheaters at all.
I am just saying that this decision is problematic.

Let's say you , or anyone really, is in the top networth spot because they have all leet armies at the end of the age...
then after age has ended the devs make the announcement that the leet nw value was dropped down and now someone else takes the 1st nw spot.
would that be cool with everyone?

as they say, timing is everything.

How is that even remotely like the current situation? lmao

[MasterShake2129]

I agree with this. Good action by devs but maybe a disclaimer included in future actionings

I think this would be considered the disclaimer

[Child]

I have no doubt this was a reaction to Spartans topping the charts. It could have been handled better but it sets a good precedent for future cases of cheating.

Personally, I could not possibly be happier with how this age ended. This is my favourite thread in all of Utopia. My only regret is that Bart is currently banned.

[Thelord]

There is a simple rule of not cheating. Still you violated that rule. Stop crying Wolf!

Fyi i am not in spartan lol. U can choose not to believe :D and agree on mod action but this is the worse action taken by mod that i had even seen in my past 15 yrs playing uto

[markers]

Joke story = 4:6 sent notice to Ze Trolls...ended up getting land lusted thousands and thousands of acres. For a KD that has 22 players, its unbelievable they got placed 7th. Congrats Trolls, we will be watching you next age!

Haha you did well. We had very limited targets. Luckily I got veto on rk two of your tms. Lol would have been better than armies sitting

[Maximo]

How is that even remotely like the current situation? lmao

I had to re-read that one also, haha.

But seriously, is this just a reactionary decision based on who won? Can we continue to expect the same in the future?

[markers]

I think this would be considered the disclaimer

I mean when you get the ban/deletion/freeze a simple reminder your kd cheated and will be out of eoa rankings. Leave if you want to preserve your ****

[Thelord]

I had to re-read that one also, haha.

But seriously, is this just a reactionary decision based on who won? Can we continue to expect the same in the future?

Lol

[Heathen]

Congrats to the honor and ww winner. Well played. I actually would like to urge the real spartans to make a case next season. Get a neymar!