Congratulations to the age 72 winners!

[Band of Horses]

Funny argument that whoring kingdoms wars much better than warring kingdoms.

How many wars did Emeriti fight and win after dropping from the whoring game, should have been quite easy for them to win right, I'm not entirely sure as I did not check up on them much, but I think the answer could be 0, same for Barcoloco after getting smacked by the Mango for **** diplomacy, they was leading the war chart by a landslide but after being hit out of the top race not a single war.

So 1 kingdom went on vacation the other was leading the warring chart while whoring and by a landslide... hmmm seems like you just proved that warring kingdoms should be whoring in order to win the war win chart. So tell me why again they aren't going up to where it is apparently landslide victory for the only chart they "care" about?

[Goodwitch]

What I'm saying is that top kingdoms have taken ages off after being annoyed at the whore tier to war in the war tier and they end up winning pretty easily vs the best warring kingdoms. This happened with giraffes a few ages ago in recent memory. I'm sure there's other examples like when emeriti decided not to bother competing a few ages before that.

There's just about no examples of the reverse happening without the warring kingdoms adding better players/leaders and morphing into a whoring kingdom over a process of a few ages.

Whoring kingdoms still have to be able to war, and they have to be able to do it at a better level than you do because the margin for error is much smaller.



I don't get what the hell the second part of your post has anything to do with the first part or even what you were responding to. As to wsk/div both have experienced whores in their core or ls. It's hard to bring them up as an example of a warring kingdom that went to the top and hung with the best. Even if that's your claim, I'm not really sure who either beat last age that you could point to them out-warring whore kingdoms. Div refused a fight where they were 20k acres ahead of BB because BB outprepped them so hard.

oh the second part was..ya know...commenting on the actual thread, the actions taken and stuff. Nothing you would be concerned with apparently. Put it in the same post because numerous times we were asked to not multipost.
I totally understand that what I wrote isn't a comfortable thought. Doing the right thing is rarely as comfortable as doing the convenient thing.

Guess we'll see in a day or two if maybe a lot of people are just taking an unseasonably long break or if this has hurt the game. For now on my island there isn't a single kingdom with more than 20 provinces.

[Korp]

oh the second part was..ya know...commenting on the actual thread, the actions taken and stuff. Nothing you would be concerned with apparently. Put it in the same post because numerous times we were asked to not multipost.
I totally understand that what I wrote isn't a comfortable thought. Doing the right thing is rarely as comfortable as doing the convenient thing.

Guess we'll see in a day or two if maybe a lot of people are just taking an unseasonably long break or if this has hurt the game. For now on my island there isn't a single kingdom with more than 20 provinces.

Oh yea, they shouldnt punish cheaters you are totally correct, lets cater to all the cheaters in the game and that will make it strive.

[clawz]

Funny argument that whoring kingdoms wars much better than warring kingdoms.

How many wars did Emeriti fight and win after dropping from the whoring game, should have been quite easy for them to win right, I'm not entirely sure as I did not check up on them much, but I think the answer could be 0, same for Barcoloco after getting smacked by the Mango for **** diplomacy, they was leading the war chart by a landslide but after being hit out of the top race not a single war.

BB beat both wsk and Div to win age 72.

[Sheister]

well that is true. We beat wsk and DiV ran away. So yeah... YEAH!

[Judge]

well that is true. We beat wsk and DiV ran away. So yeah... YEAH!

Da F*K? We warred last age?

[Sheister]

we had ONE against wsk. Then we sat around bored to **** while everyone ran away from us except CR who would have owned us but they had to follow their principles to beat the crap out of Boco.

[Bibilicious]

But thats warring kd uses as argument as well, they dont want to get out of their comfort zone so they talk bunch of **** instead. If warring kds think whoring kds are just bunch of glorified explorers its easy to prove them wrong just grow and crush them but that rarely happens. Especially by the most vocal warring tier people.

I think most warring KDs choose not to grow more because of the obvious sh*tfest that is the top and less because its out of their comfort zone.
And if people think the top, the whoring tier or w/e you want to call them are "glorified explorers" they are stupid. Or they are trying to get a rise out of someone.
Even if leadership would be equal strategy wise (comparing warring to whoring) the fact is that the average player in the KDs are not equally skilled.
In pretty much every warring KD, there will be a fair amount of casual players. That both doesnt put in the time or have the knowledge how to maximize their prov.
But we dont really care, because as long as we can avoid the drama and get to war we are happy.

[13nesta13]

WSk also had Coss for a couple ages there, and coss instantly makes ANY kd a whoring kd the moment he joins. Div throughout its history has quite a few whoring ages and they joined up with ABS so if they didn't already have enough experience they added a whole host of whore minds to consult.

Pyro is the best example and that took a few ages to happen and it was with a lot of coaching from Elit to cJ. I did't pay attention to the age that FS whored but from what I've heard it was lack luster. Most of the time when warring kds try they just end up pulling a Shinra and farming out a crown.

The honor crown used to be the top prize for the warring tier and every time a whoring kd would go warring age off they'd usually take that crown from them. I can't think of a situation where a whoring kd farmed out and handed a warring kd the honor crown because of it.

Ugh why are we even having this discussion again?

You lost me at cj :( made a whole lot of sense until then!

[Goodwitch]

Oh yea, they shouldnt punish cheaters you are totally correct, lets cater to all the cheaters in the game and that will make it strive.

no, what I have been saying is to make a rule and then enforce it consistently. Either publish all enforcements or none.

nowhere in the rules will you find anything about removal from the rankings , nor has that ever been a thing. It should be, moving forward. It should also be mentioned in the rules.
Funny thing is that there are a lot of rules and punishments for breaking them, a lot of people that are jumping on the bandwagon here in this thread should be very quiet and happy that rules aren't enforced consistently in Utopia. However to all those that don't break the rules that inconsistency is a slap in the face.

[Korp]

no, what I have been saying is to make a rule and then enforce it consistently. Either publish all enforcements or none.

nowhere in the rules will you find anything about removal from the rankings , nor has that ever been a thing. It should be, moving forward. It should also be mentioned in the rules.
Funny thing is that there are a lot of rules and punishments for breaking them, a lot of people that are jumping on the bandwagon here in this thread should be very quiet and happy that rules aren't enforced consistently in Utopia. However to all those that don't break the rules that inconsistency is a slap in the face.

A punishment isnt a rule its a punishment. There isnt stated anywhere in the rules what will happend when you break the rules. You are like a thief complaining when getting caught that it didnt state anywhere that i could get XX years when i commited the crime! But punishments has never been stated anywhere.

[Panthira]

no, what I have been saying is to make a rule and then enforce it consistently. Either publish all enforcements or none.

nowhere in the rules will you find anything about removal from the rankings , nor has that ever been a thing. It should be, moving forward. It should also be mentioned in the rules.
Funny thing is that there are a lot of rules and punishments for breaking them, a lot of people that are jumping on the bandwagon here in this thread should be very quiet and happy that rules aren't enforced consistently in Utopia. However to all those that don't break the rules that inconsistency is a slap in the face.

I'm really not sure what your problem is or where the anger comes from over this.

The punishment metered out here was deserved, and the devs are learning as they go. Why give them **** for taking a step in the right direction? Bravo to them!

[Goodwitch]

A punishment isnt a rule its a punishment. There isnt stated anywhere in the rules what will happend when you break the rules. You are like a thief complaining when getting caught that it didnt state anywhere that i could get XX years when i commited the crime! But punishments has never been stated anywhere.

you obviously haven't read them. Here are just a few of punishments mentioned in the Game Rules. This is the updated version already.

your account may be terminated without notice
may be subject to deletion
result in immediate removal from the game
and subject to suspension or deletion.

I'm really not sure what your problem is or where the anger comes from over this.

The punishment metered out here was deserved, and the devs are learning as they go. Why give them **** for taking a step in the right direction? Bravo to them!

So you are saying the devs should enforce the rules...can I quote you on that? Have you read them?
BTW I think they should.

[Korp]

you obviously haven't read them. Here are just a few of punishments mentioned in the Game Rules. This is the updated version already.

your account may be terminated without notice
may be subject to deletion
result in immediate removal from the game
and subject to suspension or deletion.

Yet you are uncapable of understanding that rules arent punishments. :)) Trololol.

You gonna argue that they shouldnt have removed their warwins either cause that isnt explicity stated in that paragraph?

[Goodwitch]

Yet you are uncapable of understanding that rules arent punishments. :)) Trololol.
You gonna argue that they shouldnt have removed their warwins either cause that isnt explicity stated in that paragraph?

Dear Korp, it is you that doesn't understand. Maybe some day you will, or maybe not.
I simply proved you wrong. Never once did I claim this was a complete list, nor did I make any judgement on the punishment and if it was deserved or not in that post. In earlier posts you will find that I very much agree with the severity of the punishment for breaking the code of conduct. But that is not my concern. My concern is making arbitrary, biased rulings and enforcing them. Biased not because I claim to know if devs like or dislike the culprits but because not everyone breaking the rules is treated the same way.