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    Quote Originally Posted by MyNameIsMatija View Post
    I think we should sue them for the money spent :)
    U prolly can but there shd be a fine print somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    You agreed to when you create an account that they are free to do whatever they want.
    Bummer :)

    There's always a fine print.
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    I suppose the rules are determined by the game owners. This action seems a little weird, but I'm willing to give the owners the benefit of the doubt as they're still learning how to manage this beast. It's not wrong to express disappointment. As I understand it, they want input. Derision and harsh sarcasm probably won't be as effective at helping them in the future ages as healthy critique.

    In fairness, I'm biased against Sparta.

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    Don't even know who to congratulate other than the admins for doing their jobs.

    It's unfortunate that the last two "crowns" were decided by **** play and lameness

    I do think it's better to action the offending party right away as opposed to doing it later on as that would greatly change game dynamics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    But don't cheat it's that simple.
    How u define cheating? In game.... can tell me anyone that is not cheating? How

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    Quote Originally Posted by sUpeRneBU View Post
    I think 2:2 should be given the heads up that they'll be removed from the charts immediately upon the first actioning.
    Most likely they just decided on it when they saw their old kd in 2nd place.

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    96 now :)
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    Delete before EOA not at EOA. Even though this ranked us at 2-3 for Land NW, I still don't think it is correct to bring out "new" game rules just before EOA that justify said deletions. That's dystopian not utopian.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteus View Post
    Don't even know who to congratulate other than the admins for doing their jobs.

    It's unfortunate that the last two "crowns" were decided by **** play and lameness

    I do think it's better to action the offending party right away as opposed to doing it later on as that would greatly change game dynamics
    Totally agree on your point

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    Conspiracy theories, so funny :p
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    Quote Originally Posted by JeffT View Post
    It's not really appropriate to delete 25 individual players for the actions of a kingdom. Those 24 players who weren't deleted had the opportunity to defect to other kingdoms, if they wished to preserve their province rankings / did not endorse the cheating. The kingdom, however, is being actioned for cheating which means all of those rankings at removed at EOA.

    Yes, this does mean that getting actioned for cheating in yr0, even if all 25 provinces were deleted, would still result in rankings removal at EOA.

    The action taken at the time of cheating (deletion of provinces/suspension/WW removal) was appropriate to remove the in-game benefits they had received from cheating. The removal of rankings is appropriate, as we do not tolerate cheating and there should reasonably be lasting consequences to it. It doesn't matter whether those kingdoms would have finished #1 #7 or #140.
    What you did is right and perhaps the first step to stop cheating in long term but the way it was done was bad. If you give punishments in steps then it is not actually fair. Not to the kd but to others around them. Had you deleted them right away or maybe freezed them or anything as such then CR/Mango wouldnt have done farming or anything as such and things could/perhaps/would/maybe sorted out diplomatically.

    Like Shiester said nobody is the winner this age.

    But I am actually happy that a step has been taken to stop cheating and you guys stick to it in future ages to come as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cRs View Post
    I agree 100% with actioning kds for cheating what I dont get it is why allowing them to use the resources made by cheating till eoa. Not speaking only about sparta this age.. in general. We had one more example few ages ago with fluffy(i think) who won 3-4 fake wars and the only action was deleting theyr war history... leaving them untouched on all theyr resources gained trough those wars (land/honor/sci...) mid age. Thats why I dont understand ur way of dealing with this and find it pretty unfair to the others.. u get caught cheating, u get deleted.. u cheat as a player in ur kd, u get deleted/reseted allone, u cheat as a kd, u get reseted/deleted as a kd.
    The other example you're using is before our time, so I can't really comment on it. This is the first time we've actioned a FW since we took over.

    Here's the thing -- in a closed system, deleting provinces remove resources that other kingdoms could acquire, and shapes the chart. You're in a system where Sparta was, let's say, #4 land after the FW (~equivalent of #5 currently). The action we did take (deleting provinces, removing WW bonus, suspending them) removed any immediate gains they received -- they exited the FW smaller than they entered it. In an ideal world (and we plan to in the future; we couldn't here due to time constraints) we would also remove gains from any province that gained acres in the war itself. At that point, where they haven't profited from it, easier to let the age play out and remove them from rankings at the end rather than directly shape kingdoms capacity to interact with each other up front. Maybe it's better to delete them at the time as well, but either way you do it, it's going to effect how the rest of the age plays out.

    My personal preference, would not be to delete the 3-5 players in both kingdoms who reported it as a fake war as punishing them doesn't seem appropriate -- instead they had the opportunity to leave the kingdom/defect their provinces if they wanted to keep their achievements to date -- and then punish the kingdom at the end of the age, and that's part of why we made a conscious decision to go down this path instead of deleting the 50 provinces.

    Why was this change in policy not stated earlier in the age? Or was it? Or was this purely reactionary because Sparta won? Legitimately asking these questions, cause I do not know.
    We had never formally announced any policy relating to cheating, as we had never had to deal with more than the constant creation spam of folks getting deleted for multiing.

    Like I said they have no clue what they are doing. They are just winging it as they go. rules don't matter and neither do punishments as they can just change it up at any moment. I'm more offended at the lack of professionalism when running a "business". They were sure willing to accept money from said players, but couldn't even give them enough respect to say hey, this is what's happening... so if you don't want to waste your time and money for the next month or two, this is the situation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Proteus View Post
    Don't even know who to congratulate other than the admins for doing their jobs.

    It's unfortunate that the last two "crowns" were decided by **** play and lameness

    I do think it's better to action the offending party right away as opposed to doing it later on as that would greatly change game dynamics
    OMG this is like maybe the second or third time that we both agreed onto something!
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