Schwarzenegger vs Retro

[Palem]

I agree with Matija. War is just a stress test. You get to see who's working and who's failing. You address the stuff that needs addressing and you improve. If you lose a player because they couldn't deal with getting clobbered in a war you're better off. You think that guy is gonna stick around when he's the opening chain target and gets stuck on 300 acres and no defense for the rest of the war?

[Korp]

I agree with Matija. War is just a stress test. You get to see who's working and who's failing. You address the stuff that needs addressing and you improve. If you lose a player because they couldn't deal with getting clobbered in a war you're better off. You think that guy is gonna stick around when he's the opening chain target and gets stuck on 300 acres and no defense for the rest of the war?

Or you teach them to war and they are prepared when they finally get a war. :Seems like a better approach.

[MyNameIsMatija]

You'd start with teaching them how to properly manage a province. How to war is looking at the bigger picture, it's a leader's role, but it's not even that important, at this stage any KD that can actually properly pump will just stomp 99% of the server no matter what they do in war as long as it's not hitting themselves.

[Madchess]

Well my point was those on 80% offenses might be more usefull, but since that is not run across the board they are easily singeled out and suffer the most while the ones you really should get rid of just sits there and do not participate.

It is not about getting good or not, an imbalanced kingdom don't hold together very well, and in ghettos you are very often missing info on the ones that turn out to be holding you back, if you have ever seen mass defections, that is a real risk if you are in a ghetto and decide to war right OOP. It has happened to kingdoms I've lead in the past, it is almost always the good players and the ones you might be able to work with that leaves first.

[StratOcastle]

Yes. I think we need to find each other, but silly stuff gets in the way. I mean globally, there's got to be 20-some players who can play with the big guns without freaking out about the little details.

[MyNameIsMatija]

Well my point was those on 80% offenses might be more usefull, but since that is not run across the board they are easily singeled out and suffer the most while the ones you really should get rid of just sits there and do not participate.

It is not about getting good or not, an imbalanced kingdom don't hold together very well, and in ghettos you are very often missing info on the ones that turn out to be holding you back, if you have ever seen mass defections, that is a real risk if you are in a ghetto and decide to war right OOP. It has happened to kingdoms I've lead in the past, it is almost always the good players and the ones you might be able to work with that leaves first.

I played in a kingdom like you describe last age. It was exactly like you describe actually, thing is I didn't care about the ones defecting or the ones not participating, there was a single person that did the most and he didn't leave, I'm still playing with him in another kingdom now, it's all about finding the right people, in Utopia though it's a hard process. I think my comment is being misunderstood a little, I'm appealing to the people, you seem to be throwing everything on a single decision to war early where an early loss can more often than not mean more wars and a more enjoyable age afterwards. You say you lead kingdoms, this means you should know it's your responsibility to explain to the people why your loss is actually a win, it's though, it sucks, that's why not many do it.

[Elit]

Clear fake war.

Finlay you believe me!

[sl0hnd]

We just war and lost. NBD in Ghetto Fight Club activity wins. The casual KD, those who do not set alarms - attack - go back to sleep, lose. If your army sets at home 4-6 extra hours, you lose. KDs are pretty much the same size, no wiz this early, so only activity matters. We did not have it.

[Madchess]

@Strato those people do exist, but most of them unfortunately follow a fake religion called FSU.

@Matija what I described was the ghetto kingdom I lead arround 2 years ago, same stuff, only I wanted to do more I was trying to improve the team but in the end I gave up. It is impossible to do anything when no one follow orders, and you constantly end up losing the most decent people whenever you try to war.

[RattleHead]

This should be illegal.

So sensitive about other people's Wars... get over it.

We came OOP with a plan that has worked for us in the past, and would likely have smooshed a lot of other KDs, but they had a better one.

Agreed with the stress-test factor of War; you can see who is pulling their weight, or not, and act accordingly. It was not a lack of preparation or experience on one side that led to the result of this War, it was contrasting KD composition and start-up strategy... we had a few hiccups mixed in there but no one is perfect as has been noted in this thread.

In short; going up against 19 Orc WH OOP is a good challenge for anyone, and I highly recommend it.

[Swagger]

I've seen pictures of holocaust survivors that look better than 7:10, good lord what did you do to them

[MyNameIsMatija]

So sensitive about other people's Wars... get over it.

Aha.

@Matija what I described was the ghetto kingdom I lead arround 2 years ago, same stuff, only I wanted to do more I was trying to improve the team but in the end I gave up. It is impossible to do anything when no one follow orders, and you constantly end up losing the most decent people whenever you try to war.

So you were no different than the ones giving up on the KD that defected, it's never about the situation you are in, it's about doing what you can.

People Say Nothing Is Impossible, But I Do Nothing Every Day

[Elit]

Aha.
People Say Nothing Is Impossible, But I Do Nothing Every Day

What so bad about doing noting. its good way to relax from all problems.

[Elit]

So sensitive about other people's Wars... get over it.

In short; going up against 19 Orc WH OOP is a good challenge for anyone, and I highly recommend it.

I think all comments about land taken is joke from past ages.
About waring 19 orc/wh OOP its almost sure loss for most other setups if you meet good kingdom.
Thanks for share Emeriti setup.

[MyNameIsMatija]

What so bad about doing noting. its good way to relax from all problems.

Just because you don't do something doesn't mean it's impossible.