Most and least valuable crowns

[AquaSeaFoam]

Mike, you and Sylver had some impressive and dominant wins over Brute. I was always impressed by them. But you underestimate Rage vs Brute. Rage was a superkingdom merger of Destiny and Alias with he best from both kingdoms and Zoot was every bit a match for YF, not to mention other great leaders like Savannah, titan, myself, and about 10 other top leaders including people who founded other top kingdoms like Sanctuary.

[Folle]

Who are these ghettoes?

[Mike^]

well to be fair i do think zoot was great ;)

[Elit]

Elit, The age I referenced, Rage was #1 as pumped sages and we also were deal broke and gb'd (by your Dreams co-leaders) for no reason other than we were too strong for anyone to beat 1v1. It was similar to your Dreams age. I actually did/do consider your Dreams victory impressive too. You're of course perfectly fine to play with my wife or anywhere you like.

You fail to understand something. Age 46? Its was alliance war involve many kingdoms from both sides. You won only because you had like 10 Kds help you. Age 50 Dreams had zero kingdoms to help us during GB. Its was first age for new kingdom. We had no ally. If rage was in same situation you wont have won. Second you miss after all GB and BS i got, still when Proteus came to me and ask when "big solo cow dont remember name" Suicde/hit rage if we can stay away and not hit him. I told him yes we wont farm acres like this. Some other Kds used situation for gain acres. I really did my best for get proper relation Dreams and ABS.

Second, you blame Realest for age 46 but he didn't play or lead KD. You can blame him for what he did first 2 ages on Sonata. Its hard to explain but Realest is naturally born troll. He can trick any one with his words. He challenge Simians with Trolfages when he didn't play in Kd at all. He is this kind "master". From other side he is really good on keep kd channel alive and high motivated.

[Korp]

I am bit worried though, there is no wall of text from ASF.

[Elit]

I am bit worried though, there is no wall of text from ASF.

Maybe he grow up after get married. Im positive about this!

[Pillz]

I'd like to say Elit's earlier post about the differences between BF/Pbs/Sanc and Rage is pretty accurate in my opinion

[MyNameIsMatija]

Isn't it the same post he always makes though?

PS
Does Realest teach his craft anywhere?

[SnirpsneR]

I think at least one of asf wins vs pbs was during pbs prime. Was it age 23?

@elit

[Elit]

So far here is some really funny logs during GB so i will share part from it with no intention to offend any one.

[10:37] <@flogger> ASF - you're going to have to drop booting those players if you want any cessation
01[10:37] <&Elit> all this gb is for farm land
[10:37] <@flogger> your point was made, and most anyone outside would think revenge was taken
01[10:37] <&Elit> have noting about justice
01[10:37] <&Elit> and its clear for all
[10:37] <&AquaSeaFoam> i understand that, i'm asking for proposing something new
01[10:37] <&Elit> just you use escuse fro 4-5 ages dead kd
[10:37] <&AquaSeaFoam> because to me, sonata = gb
[10:37] <@flogger> the only proposal that makes any sort of sense is just stopping now
[10:37] <@flogger> neither side is going to give up anything
[10:38] <&AquaSeaFoam> so if they are gonna stay sonaga, then propose a way to change that
[10:38] <&AquaSeaFoam> stay sonata
01[10:38] <&Elit> well AquaSeaFoam
01[10:38] <&Elit> if this keep gains
01[10:38] <&Elit> going
[10:38] <~dorje> i have to say i would not be happy with the sonata core winning another age regardless
01[10:38] <&Elit> there will be only one solution for me to stop
[10:38] <&Dirty`> you should be fine dorje
[10:38] <&Dirty`> we wont win
[10:38] <~dorje> and as i said an immediate end here would give you a 20% chanec of winning imo
01[10:38] <&Elit> if you leave abs lead
01[10:38] <&Elit> you are not capable for it
01[10:38] <&Elit> blind ppl from hate cant lead alliances
[10:39] <&AquaSeaFoam> you're wrong there
[10:39] <&Dirty`> even if we were going to win
[10:39] <&AquaSeaFoam> they can
[10:39] <&Dirty`> you would just gb us again
[10:39] <&Dirty`> youve shown your cfs mean nothing
01[10:39] <&Elit> but if you drop abs lead i will kick all sonata ppl
[10:39] <&Dirty`> so whats the difference
01[10:39] <&Elit> its deal
[10:39] <&AquaSeaFoam> but i think you underestimate my sight
01[10:39] <&Elit> get respond for your action
[10:39] <&AquaSeaFoam> is that a promise elit?
[10:39] <~dorje> not true Dirty` ; every absalom napbreak has been in response to another similar napbreak
01[10:39] <&Elit> step down from abs lead
01[10:39] <&Elit> and i will kick all sonata ppl
[10:39] <~dorje> i know you see me as narrow-minded but that's really my logic
[10:39] <&AquaSeaFoam> is that a promise?
01[10:39] <&Elit> its my offer
[10:39] <&Dirty`> huh? what are you saying elit
[10:40] <&AquaSeaFoam> I accept elit.
[10:40] <~dorje> Elit, please god no! he's been looking for an excuse for years!
01[10:40] <&Elit> i wans AquaSeaFoam to step down from lead abs
[10:40] <&AquaSeaFoam> I resign my absalom position of Court
[10:40] <@flogger> and make proteus take your court seat!
[10:40] <&AquaSeaFoam> no flogger
01[10:40] <&Elit> you still lead it
[10:40] <&AquaSeaFoam> no, i dont
01[10:40] <&Elit> dorje cant make decisions
[10:40] <@flogger> ASF is quite inactive
[10:40] <&AquaSeaFoam> i honestly and officially resign
01[10:40] <&Elit> when i asked him
01[10:40] <&Elit> so its all up to you
[10:40] <@flogger> I think ASF is serious
[10:40] <&Dirty`> we arent kicking anyone
[10:40] <&Dirty`> ive already said it
01[10:41] <&Elit> ok :(
[10:41] <&AquaSeaFoam> elit sait you would
[10:41] <&AquaSeaFoam> said
[10:41] <&Dirty`> i guess he lied to you again
01[10:41] <&Elit> hahahaha
[10:41] <&Dirty`> when push comes to shove i win
[10:41] <&Dirty`> and hes overruled
[10:41] <&AquaSeaFoam> so you just tricked me into resingning my court position and backed out of the deal after i did it?
[10:41] <@flogger> jesus dorje running amock running abs would be a nightmare
[10:41] <&AquaSeaFoam> nice. well i'm done here, night
03[10:41] * &AquaSeaFoam (~no@uto-DA352677.hlrn.qwest.net) has left #totalk
[10:42] <&Dirty`> that guy is nuts
[10:42] <&Dirty`> in his hate
01[10:42] <&Elit> no
01[10:42] <&Elit> he iscomplete idiot
01[10:42] <&Elit> i was arong for him to be samart
[10:42] <@flogger> I think you and him made a deal
[10:42] <@flogger> and he was willing to do it
[10:42] <@flogger> and you accepted

[MyNameIsMatija]

hahahahahahahahahahahaha

[Bourreau]

Rage would have less crowns if they were solo just look how Rage turned slowly to **** as Absaloms power dwindled.

Did you even consider other explanations for this "relation"? For example, that as Rage got weaker, Absalom's power dwindled? Or that Rage and Absalom's powers depended both on the same variable: a few key leaders that stopped playing?

PS http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

[Korp]

Did you even consider other explanations for this "relation"? For example, that as Rage got weaker, Absalom's power dwindled? Or that Rage and Absalom's powers depended both on the same variable: a few key leaders that stopped playing?

PS http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

So Rage nor Absalom could handle few key players quitting? Albeit being such great alliances and "strongest warring kd in Utopia". Whats more likely is that since more people quit resulted in fewer Absalom kingdoms, fewer Absalom kingdoms meaning there was no dominant position, no dominant position to powerplay less success.

[MyNameIsMatija]

None of these KDs could survive the test of time after key leadership members left. It's "simple" because of the type of leadership it was ;)

[Elit]

Did you even consider other explanations for this "relation"? For example, that as Rage got weaker, Absalom's power dwindled? Or that Rage and Absalom's powers depended both on the same variable: a few key leaders that stopped playing?

PS http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

ABS power was all about alliance team play not around individual Kingdoms skills. Is true in alliance was very good plaers. I dont know good zoot but from what i remember he was good, carsen (name is with typo) too. I cant really say how good was Titan, but sure he was arrogant. He is first ABS leader i meet during my ghetto lead days and one from 3 kingdoms i punished being ~~30% smaller.

Overal you have point but this don't change fact Rage never prove something outside ABS limits.
I had friends in ABS in past too, Zxen if remember name correct and other. Here was guy in ABS (details can be wrong) from Holland i meet in gen and i recommended him Girl from Bulgaria. They failed in love and married. Past is full with different stories.