Just your typical bullies of Utopia

[Korp]

Please can one of the KDs post the complete chronology. Telling us that things happened "immediately" doesn't massively help as we don't know whether that is meant to be taken literally or not.

To make proper judgement we need to be able to see (a) when attacks took place (b) what times messages were sent and received (c) what time 2:20's war started.

I do appreciate that you didn't ask for our assessment and may not want it - but 2:20 did bring this to the forum...

From the information in this thread and munk.

6:18 waved 2:20 Feb 9th, at that time stats were following

6:18
Acres: 16475
Networth: 3,7 million

2:20
Acres: 14652
Networth: 3,2

Then what we can assume during some time in Feb 2:20 sent a message telling "No war" ofc we dont know how many attacks been made at that point (probably not that many both being ghettos)

April 4th 2:20 entered war with 8:6

April 18th CF was sent by 2:20 but revoked the tick after 19th

April 22th 6:18 sent a CF proposal to 2:20

Even with all talks about 6:18 wanting a CF with 2:20 they havent sent one single CF proposal until 22th 18 hours into 2:20 war. From my experince of ghettoing around it feels like 6:18 believe they have the right to enter the CF at their own terms, ie get as much as acres as possible before accepting a CF and then move on. And if they wouldnt made anymore attacks after the initial wave (this ofc depends on when they got the messages of 2:20 not wating to war) the meter would have surely decayed until April 4th and for sure when 2:20 got oow again. So the pretens that they cant move on without ending relations is a self created problem and could have been easily avoided


Disclaimer, i made some assumptions about amount of attacks and time some messages were sent but those are reasoanble guesses.

[Korp]

1. Your "few years back" sob story with no evidence speaks more about your ability to hold a grudge than our lack of ethics.

Isnt that a bit comically consider your wild accusations about cheating with no actual proof besides one player claiming that someone cheated?

2. Cyber bullying? Really? It's a game about warring kingdoms and you're going to call getting waved once an age by the same KD bullying? Grow up.

No, what he is saying that you always target smaller kingdoms which is the bullying part. You dont seem to have the balls nor the skills to war kingdoms your own size nor bigger kingdoms (well obvious from your lack of wars this age)

5. You're projecting your victimhood onto this "undermanned 2,6 million nw kingdom". They weren't undermanned a few days ago, but their poor leadership has caused a few provs to abandon in the last week. If you read the previous comments you would know that our NW gap was well within war range at the time of the first wave, and they had more land. Pretending we're just picking on the little guy is a false narrative

They were still smaller, 500k nw and roughly 2k acres, you shouldnt have any issues finding kingdoms at your own size at your tier so why just targetting smaller kingdoms?

Chris121: The meter was around 20 when they said no war, but then they started a dragon and cancelled it a couple hrs later. We then requested a CF but were given orders to keep the pressure up until they sent it. 3 days later the meter was around 40 and they jumped into another war and refused to give us a CF, because the monarch either truly believed war wiped relations, or just wanted to trick us. So our stew sent them an ultimatum to give us the CF within 3 hrs or we would raze into their war (the first post).

Why cant you send a CF? Whats the problem? You already knew they didnt want to war? You knew from the begining that they diddnt want to have a have a war and you kept attack, the problem is all your side. Handling things badly.

[Horus85]

Isnt that a bit comically consider your wild accusations about cheating with no actual proof besides one player claiming that someone cheated?



No, what he is saying that you always target smaller kingdoms which is the bullying part. You dont seem to have the balls nor the skills to war kingdoms your own size nor bigger kingdoms (well obvious from your lack of wars this age)



They were still smaller, 500k nw and roughly 2k acres, you shouldnt have any issues finding kingdoms at your own size at your tier so why just targetting smaller kingdoms?



Why cant you send a CF? Whats the problem? You already knew they didnt want to war? You knew from the begining that they diddnt want to have a have a war and you kept attack, the problem is all your side. Handling things badly.

With the amount of learns and ops on me alone, it didnt seem like they were going to back out.(whether they truly planned too or not) i could sent you the pages on pages of ops and the hanful of learns from them if you wish. You seem to twist the narrative to make them the victims. If they truly didnt want to war us and wanted us to leave them alone they would of took the cf or sent us one. Its that simple.

[Chris121]

@Korp: thanks for the summary - that is helpful (I know it's just publicly available info but you took the time to collate it form the mess of this thread and Munk, and that helps).

@sirdante77: thanks. I guess we would need to understand exactly when it went from 20 to 40 in comparison to the diplo that was going on. I understand continuing to hit when they started a dragon because it wouldn't be clear what they were doing, but at some point after that they said no war.

@Both KDs - well done for reaching a CF. There are probably some learning points all around since you both ended up wasting a lot of time and effort getting to the same point that could have been reached a while ago.

[zeusnloki]

@Both KDs - well done for reaching a CF. There are probably some learning points all around since you both ended up wasting a lot of time and effort getting to the same point that could have been reached a while ago.

Yes we decided it was a lost cause and we're ready to move on. I hope what you say here is true. Cheers.

[s0830887]

This is the first time I've ever said this, but I agree with Korp.

If you want to find more wars, and you genuinely mean that - and I mean GENUINELY, not the 'wah, we want to find wars we WILL win by waving smaller kds!' - it's actually very easy: wave big, tough KDs. Waving a KD approx 15-20% smaller than you at time of wave (so, assuming a comfortable 20-25% smaller after wave, with way less off, not in war builds, huge casualties from their wave, scrambling to respond and get people online to wave, etc...) just gives you every single advantage possible, and you surely know that no ghetto is going to war you from that far behind and with that many disadvantages. Come on, toughen up. I know Devolorian to be a reasonably ambitious, decent warring KD, but this pattern of wave-behaviour seems to paint a picture of a KD who only wants to war when they hold all the cards.

[Rhaegar]

We have been assembled for over 40 ages.. we have never had to attack a kingdom in war before to get a cf. We are far from bullies and try to be as respectful as possible. The whole situation was self inflicted, the king just didn't understand how the hostility meter works. We are a GLORIFIED ghetto that has climbed the warring ranks numerous times. We don't just target smaller kingdoms and have had some damn good wars with well known kingdoms through out the ages

[sl0hnd]

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[Rhaegar]

@korp we don't just target smaller kingdoms.. you obviously are misinformed. That's neither here nor there, regardless in all my ages as a monarch (age 0) I have never had to send a Cf for a kingdom that we are waving. Usually a kingdom would send cf immediately to stop bleeding as fast as possible. Instead these guys waited, started a dragon, cancelled the dragon, then wrote me a private message saying


Sender King Rhaegar Targaryen XXXI the Sorcerer of Dragonstone (6:18)
Recipient King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20)
Subject Re:Really? Really

Send cf >

King Puck the Chivalrous of Sirius (2:20) said: > > Just saw you'd started a dragon.


If we were a bit bigger, I'd say it was a good match.

We are not though.

There is zero chance of a war and a good chance of you wasting resources.

Please rethink this.


We started waving Feb 9
They started a dragon Feb 11 and responded saying no war feb 11

We have had kingdoms in the past say no war then turn around and hit button.

I wasn't on when wave began and didn't come on until March 3 by that time we already had 16 attacks

[Rhaegar]

I don't bother with the forums. Never have. Actually, my steward posted this forum information in WhatsApp so I felt obligated to respond. It wasn't easy figuring out all my log on info for this but I got it done. Probably won't post in this forum again for another 15 years after this.. lol post like this are why I avoid this nonsense. I am just not one for back and forth bologna over the internet.

[Madchess]

being smaller in nw but bigger in acres means 2:20 was considderable more landfat at less ready for a war no matter how those figures looked like.

I've had them wave for more than a day when I had 3 provinces who did not look like they had trained anything along with 1-2 big explorers that almost certainy only had defense, playing in a scrub kingdom does not mean that you'll overlook such things, and I most certainly told them we was not going to war within a few hours at most.

[Korp]

being smaller in nw but bigger in acres means 2:20 was considderable more landfat at less ready for a war no matter how those figures looked like.

I've had them wave for more than a day when I had 3 provinces who did not look like they had trained anything along with 1-2 big explorers that almost certainy only had defense, playing in a scrub kingdom does not mean that you'll overlook such things, and I most certainly told them we was not going to war within a few hours at most.

At initially wave feb 9th they were smaller in both nw and acres (2:20 that is based on the figures from munk)

[Korp]

We have been assembled for over 40 ages.. we have never had to attack a kingdom in war before to get a cf. We are far from bullies and try to be as respectful as possible. The whole situation was self inflicted, the king just didn't understand how the hostility meter works. We are a GLORIFIED ghetto that has climbed the warring ranks numerous times. We don't just target smaller kingdoms and have had some damn good wars with well known kingdoms through out the ages

If you wouldnt have made more hits after the initial wave the meter would have decayed. Or just sent a CF that would have solved the problem but I guess its more fun to hit a kingdom that dont fight back and just waste more days instead of looking for a new war.

[Madchess]

Must have missed the last page, good to see the numbers put on the table which suggests they are still waving 20% down, I mentioned that number already in my first post here, just goes to show I do not have that bad of a memory after all, and that old habits die hard.

[Korp]

So you want a CF but you refuse to send a CF yourself and demand the other side to send a CF. You realize how dumb that sounds? I take Age 0 is some sort of typing error. Cause there is nobody that you been a monarch since 98.