Am I an asshole???

[Excalibus]

@madness, you might be right with perhaps taking some time out from leading the kingdom and going back and just enjoy being a province again :D

@Persian
Really as for taking a hard line on bottofeeding kingdoms, yes our kingdoms were similar sized in acres with you guys only being about 1K acres larger than us, with an extra 1.5M in relative nw clearly we were never going to war you guys... that was obvious... but to think one of your guys would get off quad abducting while having very little defense of his own was ever going to float is IMHO arrogant... I have already stated what annoyed me and led to the razes, was it a mistaken assumption on my behalf? in this case i think it was for sure, would I do things differently or would I make the same assumption given the same information I had on hand at the time, in all honesty I would probably come to the same conclusion I come to prior to the razes and would still have sent out the razes...

Yes communication is a 2 way street, yes I could have done this or that differently, hindsight is a wonderful thing isn't it... And I will take on board what you have said...

Perhaps I am just an asshole who is burning out a bit and pretty much starting to just see utopia as a bottom feeding troll of a game with very little strategy or diversity left in it....

[Persain]

@Persian
Really as for taking a hard line on bottofeeding kingdoms, yes our kingdoms were similar sized in acres with you guys only being about 1K acres larger than us, with an extra 1.5M in relative nw clearly we were never going to war you guys... that was obvious... but to think one of your guys would get off quad abducting while having very little defense of his own was ever going to float is IMHO arrogant... I have already stated what annoyed me and led to the razes, was it a mistaken assumption on my behalf? in this case i think it was for sure, would I do things differently or would I make the same assumption given the same information I had on hand at the time, in all honesty I would probably come to the same conclusion I come to prior to the razes and would still have sent out the razes...

July 13 of YR4 x invaded and abducted scientists from your kd.
July 13 of YR4 x invaded and abducted scientists from your kd.
July 16 of YR4 you attacked and abducted scientists from x
July 16 of YR4 you invaded x and captured 69 acres of land.

No quad abduct, when the average sized prov in our kd is randoming out into kds of equal size and doubles because hes training def, having left eowcf <24 hours ago, i expect the average kd to either eat it and move on OR to retal, then when we respond ask for a cf and do actual diplomacy. Sure it may have been obvious no war was going to happen, but you ate 10 hits over 12 hours because you retaled...thats basically nothing and by no means "tired of geting bottomfed on". You want to get waved try 15 attackers tripleing everyone in your kd for abducts....if it wasnt me leading thats the response you'd get for quad razing x2 like that when our hits were minimal into you before you asked for a cf.

[Excalibus]

January 5 of YR5 your guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy


err of course there was no quad abduct was there... i can think of a number of things that i would say but you're full of sh.. would seem applicable here...

[Persain]

January 5 of YR5 your guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy
January 5 of YR5 same guy attacked and abducted scientists from our guy


err of course there was no quad abduct was there... i can think of a number of things that i would say but you're full of sh.. would seem applicable here...

yes after it seemed you wouldnt cf we went all out hitting. I however wouldnt expect the intial double tap to be retaled(EDIT...which is what i was intially responding to) if u didnt want us to hit you more while we were "Randoming"

guys would get off quad abducting while having very little defense of his own was ever going to float is IMHO arrogant

and i expect that if we had to force a cf with you because you wouldnt cf that i could demand 20 hits into you from my fearies who send out to 0 def if i were demanding you "surrender." As i said what made you a jerk was the in game msg, and the way you handled the cf, not for any retals while we hit waiting for you to cf and expecting we'd have to force a cf after you took so long to send one.

[Excalibus]

yes after it seemed you wouldnt cf we went all out hitting. I however wouldnt expect the intial double tap to be retaled(EDIT...which is what i was intially responding to) if u didnt want us to hit you more while we were "Randoming"
and i expect that if we had to force a cf with you because you wouldnt cf that i could demand 20 hits into you from my fearies who send out to 0 def if i were demanding you "surrender." As i said what made you a jerk was the in game msg, and the way you handled the cf, not for any retals while we hit waiting for you to cf and expecting we'd have to force a cf after you took so long to send one.

And that last bit you state - expecting to force a CF - thats an interesting situation in itself... is your CF proposal button broken? Perhaps you should send an email to support and see if they can fix that for you :D

Of course I know what you meant and as I stated, I had no issues with the hits that you guys made during the time from our initial message to when the cf was proposed... Hmm it does sound like you were of the assumption we would not sent it... But point taken on the perhaps over the top aggressive wording used in my responses after the cf was actually sent... Perhaps I lack the education or the patience to be a better diplomat...

I am not sure whats worse really for the game, bottom feeding kingdoms or vulture kingdoms that want to wave you within hours of coming OOW...


So what i take away from this is, find kingdoms well below us in nw, at least 28% lower in networth but within 1 - 2K acres below us and punch them and keep punching them until they send a cf offer...
Righto... off to the target finder I go... Cheers for that pro tip...

I'll become a bottom feeding asshole ... Thanks for explaining that to me and pointing me in the right direction... Doh! why did i not see it before? It's so obvious now...

[Chris121]

I am not sure whats worse really for the game, bottom feeding kingdoms or vulture kingdoms that want to wave you within hours of coming OOW...


So what i take away from this is, find kingdoms well below us in nw, at least 28% lower in networth but within 1 - 2K acres below us and punch them and keep punching them until they send a cf offer...
Righto... off to the target finder I go... Cheers for that pro tip...
.

You already said that they didn't wave you, and also that you thought it may be the case that your KD attacked them first. So I'm not really sure what your point is here?

[Excalibus]

i am not saying they waved us, although they did a mini wave of course... the reference about kingdoms waving within ours of coming oow, seems to be a thing plunder waves well not full waves but you get the idea...

It would be the ONE thing if they removed that particular feature from umunk would make the actual game better IMHO... Because then you could not type in an easy command to see who has come OOW in the last few hours across the server and be likely easy plunder targets...

[octobrev]

I am not sure whats worse really for the game, bottom feeding kingdoms or vulture kingdoms that want to wave you within hours of coming OOW...

There is no vulturing anymore. It's fundamentally impossible when kds get an automatic 4 days of fake war to recover. Remember when you got dumped out the moment withdraw happened?

But anyway, I thought you handled the situation with Persian very well! You're a perfectly reasonabru person.