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    Help Me Build The Virtual Kingdom 75

    Short break at work. I'm in the midst of shuffling. If you don't know the drill I'll fill you in later. Thank you.

    Messy draft:



    Avian ~
    Avian ~
    Avian ~

    Bocan ~ heretic
    Bocan ~ rogue
    Bocan ~ rogue

    Dark Elf ~ heretic
    Dark Elf ~ mystic
    Dark Elf ~ sage

    Dwarf ~
    Dwarf ~
    Dwarf ~

    Dryad ~
    Dryad ~
    Dryad ~

    Elf ~ heretic
    Elf ~ mystic
    Elf ~ sage

    Faery ~ paladin
    Faery ~ rogue
    Faery ~ tactician*

    Human ~
    Human ~
    Human ~

    Orc ~
    Orc ~
    Orc ~

    I've been contemplating a double-barreled amnesia~nightmare assault cannon.
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    Avian - Heretic - Guilds to try to protect BR from FB
    Avian - Undead - Maybe, just maybe, it might not burn out before mintime

    Bocan - Undead - AD+TW, suicider
    Bocan - Undead
    Bocan - Rogue - tpa+dmg

    Dark Elf - Paladin - converts+def losses, plague immunity(wages)
    Dark Elf - War Hero - extra converts, income protection, dragon immunity(wages)
    Dark Elf - Mystic - guilds+dmg, even if it doesnt apply to MS

    Dryad - Warrior - I can't see Warrior on anything else if you have to have both Dryads and Warriors in TVK, it gets by far the best utility out of every aspect of Warrior (except BL kills)
    Dryad - Warrior
    Dryad - Warrior

    Dwarf - Paladin - def losses, plague immunity looks nice on the defensive elite
    Dwarf - Sage - feels natural
    Dwarf - Sage

    Elf - Heretic - extra mana+runes (thinking rituals)
    Elf - Heretic
    Elf - Mystic - wpa+wpa+runes

    Faery - Rogue - Faery defence demands Rogue/Mystic roles within TVK, imo- Tact/Paladin have virtues, but I don't want to think about where those Rogue/Mystic end up if I picked Tac or Pal here ><
    Faery - Rogue
    Faery - Mystic

    Human - Tactician - take CS and Attack time of Tact and make the deeply pumped(thanks +income) Human more sustainable with whatever defensive building u like... still fodder for Mages
    Human - Tactician

    Orc - War Hero - ... bottom of list ended up with scraps for now :P all still serviceable though, certainly
    Orc - Tactician
    Orc - Paladin
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    Thank you for the progressive convention on the design, RattleHead.

    Sometimes my conservatism pokes out and I miss clear mechanics. Looks like an uphill age for pure attacker longevity. Your sober critique of the faery situation was the push I needed. While I have a tired design in my draft I was concerned about where I can hold a few marbles. It's my sentimentality for the attackers and maybe I just have to let them go on their own a little.

    Camp Revamp now in session :D
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    Here are divisions based on my above roster;

    Assault1 - With this group I have lumped together both the Plague, and Plague immunity. If they are going to share targets, they may as well not interfere with each other in this way. I foresee this group lurking near the bottom, being a pain in the rear to escape from once banished to their depths! Paladins should be able to FB with decent effect across NW

    Bocan Undead - Attacker
    Bocan Undead - Attacker
    Avian Undead - Attacker
    Dwarf Paladin - Hybrid
    Dark Elf Paladin - Hybrid

    Assault2 - This Assault group swings a slightly heavier bat, but is also built for sustainability, from Human/Dwarf tanky elites, to Dark Elf converts. DE/WH won't likely get great use of NMs, but the Sages will have potential for some NS vs Heavy attackers, and maybe even Amnesia

    Human Tactician - Attacker
    Human Tactician - Attacker
    Dark Elf War Hero - Attacker
    Dwarf Sage - Attacker
    Dwarf Sage - Attacker

    Spearhead1 - The Dryads can crack just about anything, and once they pry the door open a crack, the Orc can rip it off the hinges! Anyone whose door is barred from the inside will need to be infiltrated by Rogue/Heretic, or MSoked out by the Mystic.

    Dryad Warrior - Attacker
    Orc Tactician - Attacker
    Bocan Rogue - TM
    Elf Heretic - TM
    Dark Elf Mystic - TM

    Spearhead2

    Dryad Warrior - Attacker
    Orc War Hero - Attacker
    Faery Rogue - TM
    Elf Heretic - TM
    Elf Mystic - TM

    HQ - The Avian and Orc here are going to probably be a bit more defensive overall, and try to avoid chaining and remain closer to top along with the Faery's throughout a War. The Dryad working as the 'muscle'; throwing Massacres, and with follow-up hits on Spearhead targets, along with the Avian and Orc

    Dryad Warrior - Attacker
    Faery Rogue - TM
    Faery Mystic - TM
    Avian Heretic - Hybrid
    Orc Paladin - Hybrid
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    Well if it helps you I went Avian/Warrior this age. I think War hero was the best choice I made for Dryad, Paladin not so much and it rubs me the wrong way to see so many countering the additional attack time with tactician, you don't get the best of Dryad with tactician, and come on +15% attack time is nothing. I would slap Paladin on Orcs any day of the week and for lack of better places put undead on Dark Elf.

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    Avian ~
    Avian ~ tactician
    Avian ~*

    Bocan ~ heretic
    Bocan ~ rogue
    Bocan ~ rogue

    Dark Elf ~ mystic
    Dark Elf ~
    Dark Elf ~ sage

    Dwarf ~ paladin
    Dwarf ~ paladin
    Dwarf ~ paladin

    Dryad ~*
    Dryad ~ warrior
    Dryad ~ warrior

    Elf ~ heretic
    Elf ~ mystic
    Elf ~ sage

    Faery ~ heretic
    Faery ~ mystic
    Faery ~ rogue

    Human ~ war hero
    Human ~ war hero
    Human ~

    Orc ~ undead
    Orc ~ undead
    Orc ~

    Still a work in progress. One of my aims was reliable spread of ops and sabotage. The dwarf paladin dealio is based in my experience as an orc paladin last age. Paladin is very strong unless you get razed(lol) so spell reliability and rune efficiency is all for naught once your stuck with crushed guilds. The dwarf paladin also hails the old dwarf with fools gold.

    More work, less time to assemble this contraption. Be back latter.
    Last edited by StratOcastle; 31-01-2018 at 22:50.
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    Since i already did this, ill get a post on record :-)

    The breakers, dryad rogue steal your horess and sends them back at you.
    Dryad rogue
    Dryad tactician
    Dryad warrior

    Attackers with different specialities, warrior for maxed offence, war hero for longevity, tactician for tm protection with cs and rm up
    Orc warrior
    Orc war hero
    Orc tactician

    Bankers with attack, human sage for the scientist and two elite converters
    Human sage
    Human war hero
    Human war hero

    Crazy avians, a plague with many hits and disease
    Avian tactician
    Avian undead
    Avian undead

    Medic faeries, spells for all
    Faery paladin
    Faery rogue
    Faery sage

    Sabo mages, let it rain fire. Paladin dark elf is a dragon killer with ospecs to dragon
    Dark elf paladin
    Dark elf heretic
    Dark elf heretic

    Shoehorned some bocans into it, good for thieving and some magery
    Bocan rogue
    Bocan heretic

    The sleeper agents
    Dwarf sage
    Dwarf mystic
    Dwarf paladin

    Specialist mages
    Elf mystic
    Elf mystic

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    Thank you, Twily. It occurred to me I saved your contact information and failed to save your TVK. I draw inspiration from everyone who offers a build. The EoA caught me earlier than expected. I'm sure the kingdom is looking forward to this age and say hello to everyone for me.

    @ RattleHead. Thank you for your division summaries. I've been swimming in RL work and saw your composition but barely had time to read it through. I could learn a lot from you, even if you have to kick my brain a few times.

    @ Madchess. I'm incorporating some of your work in my final draft. You consistently prove your ingenuity in the most daunting field of the game. Thank you.
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    No worries! I quite enjoy the exercise you've created here. Makes me think about combos that I wouldn't consider otherwise, and can be eye-opening at times, like 'hey, this could actually work!'

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    I hope you are considering the mental health of the avian tactician player.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swagger View Post
    I hope you are considering the mental health of the avian tactician player.
    Sadly, I became addicted to Utopia through avian tac and Twily ran one last age.

    The manifesto I've built on avian tac doctrine is disturbing. I think I'm beginning to act like an avian tac at work since I can't play Utopia like I use to.
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    Alright, I think I'm there. I'm keeping the dark elf and dryad this age and shaving one orc and one avian. This isn't a referendum on my opinion of these races; we just don't have 27 province kingdoms.

    Was intrigued with dark elf tac for a few reasons but ultimately will go paladin. I'm looking at instant spell damage and the inclusion of fools gold I believe completes the photon torpedo spread. Amnesia, Fools Gold, Nightmare.
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    how about you go with the hypotesis that two of the provinces reset mid age to go orc and avian insted, that way you can use all 27 slots

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madchess View Post
    how about you go with the hypotesis that two of the provinces reset mid age to go orc and avian insted, that way you can use all 27 slots
    That's a valid idea. I'll try to design a flex strat with that in mind. Thank you.

    Here's my final draft before theme dreaming:


    Dark Elf: mystic
    Dwarf: paladin
    Elf: sage*
    Faery: heretic
    Orc: undead

    Dryad: warrior
    Elf: mystic*
    Faery: rogue
    Human: sage
    Orc: tactician

    Bocan: rogue
    Dryad: undead
    Dark Elf: paladin
    Dwarf: war hero
    Human: tactician*

    Avian: tactician*
    Avian: warrior*
    Bocan: rogue
    Dryad: war hero
    Faery: mystic

    Bocan: heretic
    Dark Elf: sage
    Dwarf: paladin
    Elf: heretic*
    Human: undead

    Haven't given it a real hard look, but my haphazard attempt at getting chastity spread worked out. Blah, that was exhausting :)

    Edit: I should explain I was configuring alternative division setups, but it got dizzying.

    One was a set of seven divisions with 3 provinces each and two divisions of 2 equidistant to HQ. The other was five divisions of 3 and two divisions of 5.

    My idea was to break some divisions down further to tutor the genesis of microing. Thus, in the 2 province divisions I was going to put one rover and one camper together in each. This was to help players who aren't particularly social or have language barriers that prevent concise organization. I'm still looking at these options which would be ideal for the province switch you mentioned @ Madchess.
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    I've recently started keeping a copy of the Survey of Races, only 3rd Age I think... might be interesting some day, but I digress! I was inspired to use the data to try to compile a roster for TVK, I tried a few methods but settled that using the top 25 overall combinations would give the best representation of the game, or maybe a snapshot of a prototypical 'casual' KD?



    A1 - Elf/DE can make good use of specs in these 'attrition' units, birds are natural in this role as well, and Human income can also help stay afloat in this regard
    Elf Heretic
    Dark Elf Mystic
    Avian Tactician
    Avian War hero
    Human War hero

    A2
    Dark Elf Heretic
    Elf Mystic
    Avian Undead
    Avian Warrior
    Human Sage

    SH1 - Spearheads as usual featuring Warriors, Orcs and Dryads in combination with Rogues for those extra tough nuts
    Dryad Warrior
    Orc Tactician
    Orc War hero
    Dwarf Warrior
    Dwarf Rogue

    SH2
    Orc Warrior
    Dryad Tactician
    Orc Undead
    Dryad War hero
    Bocan Rogue

    HQ - this leadership group acts independently and opportunistically, propping up other units or assisting them in their goals where necessary
    Faery Rogue
    Faery Mystic
    Faery Heretic
    Faery Paladin
    Dwarf Heretic

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