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    ritual effectiveness

    We are trying to figure out if the rituals are really more effective if you cast more then 80. We went at 100 cast before triggering but it's hard to tell if the bonus was buffed in the current form of the ritual page. We had 109% effectiveness when we started it but it is decaying over time.(Does it means the ritual strengh is decaying?)

    Our kingdom is covered by the Affluent ritual. It was started 61 days ago and will be lifted in 59 days.

    93.7% effectiveness is left.

    0% destroyed. (At 100% ritual is destroyed if age is more than 48 days)

    Base: Income +20%, Draft Speed +35%, Birth Rate +35%


    If anyone can help me clarify, it would be very appreciated!

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    Hi,

    For future reference this would be better in the strategy section.

    I think you are asking:

    1. Do you get a bigger ritual effect by casting more than 80 casts.
    2. When effectiveness of a ritual reduces over time, does this mean ritual strength is reducing.

    So to answer those:

    1. Yes. Every extra cast gives a little more strength. It curves from 81 casts onwards, so from there additional casts gradually start providing less benefit for each cast. So for example, 160 casts is a lot less than 2x the effect of 80 casts. The monarch and steward should be able to see the effectiveness of the ritual whilst in development and therefore track how much extra effectiveness is provided by each cast.

    2. Effectiveness is the new name for what used to be called strength, so yes. The bonus you get from your ritual fades over time.

    Last age it faded at a set rate per hour (linear), which was 0.25% so that it reached 70% after 120 hours and then disappeared. Nothing was announced as changed on this, so I assume it still fades at 0.25% per hour for a total of 120 hours. Therefore it you started at 110% effectiveness, I assume it will end at 80% after 120 hours. This does fit with the numbers you have provided but I haven't confirmed this last part myself. Presumably someone will comment if it is not as I am assuming.

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    The easiest way to test that is with your draft rate I would assume, but I can tell you it should be working.
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    my kd hit 111%+ ritual. i can attest to the fact we got a 11% bonus over the base ritual bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persain View Post
    my kd hit 111%+ ritual. i can attest to the fact we got a 11% bonus over the base ritual bonus.
    How many casts if I can ask?

    81=102
    83=103.5
    84=104

    I think it rounds to 0.5 so it's hard to tell exactly.

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    Dont waste ur runes ... unless u have to many and to much free time...

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    But again... if u in eowcf... and have 10 t/ms that never got hit and make ur (lets say orcs that got chained) use full mana for 36h... just on ritual... and u have 12-14 guys like that... its a good boost

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    80 1
    83 1.035
    102 1.094
    105 1.1
    110 1.11
    112 1.113
    115 1.118

    effective cap seems to be about 115% if u "really really" push. Only ever worth it to go beyond 105 casts if your a top kds preping for an insane fight.

    To me what i saw it feels like most kds will benefit most from a 40 cast Affluent as soon as war ends....leave it up till just before eowcf then run a 105 cast Expedient, into an 80 cast "war ritual."
    Last edited by Persain; 04-02-2018 at 21:58.

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    The cap is much higher than 115%

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    Thanks for the reply.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chris121 View Post
    The cap is much higher than 115%
    what evidence do u have of that....i mean my guess if 115% was based on just looking, but if i actually curve fit
    y = 1.131885 + (-210163.7 - 1.131885)/(1 + (x/5.867852)^5.480313)
    gives me a .99 R squared value and actually would suggest the limit is more like 113.1885% max effectiveness

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persain View Post
    what evidence do u have of that....i mean my guess if 115% was based on just looking, but if i actually curve fit
    y = 1.131885 + (-210163.7 - 1.131885)/(1 + (x/5.867852)^5.480313)
    gives me a .99 R squared value and actually would suggest the limit is more like 113.1885% max effectiveness
    Cap is much higher from experience

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    Throwing a wild guess that the 'theoretical cap' of 3525 casts (~44x base casts) would be near 2x effective... its a lot of extrapolating though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Persain View Post
    what evidence do u have of that....
    I have seen higher numbers :)

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