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    ~ Beerfest: Age 75 Virtual Kingdom ~

    ~ Beerfest: Age 75 Virtual Kingdom ~

    PORTER
    Dark Elf: mystic ~ Otto
    Dwarf: paladin ~ Hammacher
    Elf: sage ~ Jan Wolfhouse
    Faery: heretic ~ Operation Stein Grab
    Orc: undead ~ Mr. Schniedelwichsen*

    ALE
    Dryad: warrior ~ DAS BOOT!*
    Elf: mystic ~ Barry
    Faery: rogue ~ Rolf
    Human: sage ~ Wolfgang Von Wolfhausen*
    Orc: tactician ~ What's A ZJ? *

    DOPPLEBOCK
    Bocan: rogue ~**Brauheist 2006
    Dryad: undead ~ Landfill
    Dark Elf: paladin ~ Great Gam Gam
    Dwarf: war hero ~ Gunter
    Human: tactician ~ We're Not That Drunk

    PILSNER
    Avian: tactician ~ Who's Barry Badrinath?*
    Avian: warrior ~ It's Fwustwating
    Bocan: rogue ~ Pim Scutney
    Dryad: war hero ~ Gil
    Faery: mystic ~ Fink

    STOUT
    Bocan: heretic ~*Zimas and Smirnoff Ices!
    Dark Elf: sage ~ What Are You Looking At!?*
    Dwarf: paladin ~ Schlemmer
    Elf: heretic ~ Todd Wolfhouse
    Human: undead ~ Cherry
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    Witch!

    A heartfelt thanks to RattleHead, Twily and Madchess. I'm interested in your views on hybrid and bottom strats because these would be the less known areas of the game. If you have secrets then please keep them to yourselves; we all still play for the competition.

    The two races and personalities skipped this age is one orc, one avian, a warrior and one war hero. These weren't strategic decisions based in lack of ability, it was to explore the alternatives offered this age. It's important to point this out because orcs are possibly the most meter efficient race and every avian is an unparalleled control mechanism vs enemy cores. Last age my kingdom boasted some avians capable of cracking t/ms and their speed allowed them to massacre and raze where other races would face certain chaining.

    Madchess was a direct influence on the decision to opt for an avian warrior and dryad war hero. In my time creating virtual kingdoms the avian enthusiasts have consistently recommended warrior. In my own experience, one of the most memorable losses I recall was hinging on an avian warrior and tactician. The enemy ran textbook zone against my bigger, more active kingdom. This age, avian has no offensive negatives other than the traditional stable usage.

    As for the dryad war hero, I was in kingdom with Madchess and witnessed his brilliant work with this combination the first age they appeared. We were in a micro kingdom so this was as close to field certified success as possible. With no place to hide and every kingdom in the game larger than us it offered the most undistorted view of a race/personality combination. We did not CF powerful bullies, to reinforce the true prowess of the build.

    What was gained? That depends on how you see the game. Here it is for me: t/ms will be in abundance so the dryad choice was based in the vacillating world between meter, war and CFs. The dark elf decision was actually a bocan decision in that now we can link nightmare across twice as many provinces. If nightmare is the common thread there was attention to chastity over meteor swarm as a staple ops strat. I like meteors as much as the next guy but the expenditure of mystic on elf alone yields only 3 chastity casters. We compound chastity with plague because we are attacker light in The Virtual Kingdom this age.

    Thus, if we are outnumbered by attacker provinces we become obligated to control total enemy army. We begin to see the paladin effect here.
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    Mostly I came up with that 'bottom-assault' (tee-hee!) was because I preferred to use Rogue and Heretic spots elsewhere, for the most part.

    So, Bocan needed to be an Attacker, or Hybrid. Since Bocan isn't likely to be a force at the top as an attacker, and since I despise mixing plague onto my non-immune, top attackers (although I see the draw of potentially spreading to a highly defensive enemy, I picked 3x Dryad Warriors as well, they will be a plague in and of themselves), pairing Bocan with Undead and sticking them at the bottom solves a lot of problems for me! hahaha

    Now, the Bocan is going to build with OS and Elites for defence, so it has suicide potential, and maybe it could open a War with a plague gambit on a big province if I really needed it to? Surely this move would send it to the bottom where I want it pretty quickly, anyway, and with TW it could probably save what military it needs to be useful.

    They have low NWPA, so taking gains from the bottom, or at the end of a chain will be right up their alley... Cheap to maintain offence, combines nicely with reduced losses from Undead. As well, the sabotage bonus once people are made to release thieves, or once they have been massacred, if necessary, will enable the Bocan to impose their will on chainees.

    Add an Avian Undead for Attack support, and those 2 Paladin (DE and Dorf) to this 'bottom' group and enemy chainees are forced to choose between trying to outhit an Avian/UD, or to try to climb out with gains from the (likely being left slightly larger) Dark Elf or Dwarf, who have tougher def, as well as defensive losses perks. You aren't going to outrun the Avian, escape the Plague, nor are you going to claw the Paladin defence down fast enough while all of the above are working on you.

    I cannot attest to the efficacy of this in the field, but the idea is that as people become more an more willing to run their province's on nothing but OPA and aided wages, a dedicated group like this might be nice in order to keep chains from 'bobbing' back up!

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    Brilliant, RattleHead.

    Couldn't help it: Spinal Tap 'big bottom' started playing in my head.

    This is on the order of strategic feint, reestablishing the lower jaw of the clamp relatively unopposed. I've toyed with containment plots, but well thought out progressive stage war concepts are a welcome evolution.

    Thank you.
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    The Alliance In The Kingdom

    For those not familiar with my roleplaying premise for The Virtual Kingdom, it's in the division system. Each age I attempt to tally kingdoms that fit the profile for a virtual division. Generally these would be kingdoms that are taking an age off or disbanding. My intuition tells me not all players from a kingdom of old friends will enjoy a total breakup and therefor we have virtual potential.

    3 kingdoms that've recently dissolved were Freeakstyle, Carnage and The U. The division system is designed to place each kingdom fragment with the same players they were with before their respective kingdoms broke up. Obviously these players can enjoy interacting with players from 4 other kingdoms, but they retain the familiarity and shorthand teamwork earned through the ages with players they know.

    There is potential for healthy competition between divisions and the ability to compare notes on how objectives are achieved. Each division is granted the ability to recruit for themselves or offer help to divisions that suffer a recruiting drought. Each division will submit a member to council.

    Generally we don't have kingdoms as renown as Freeakstyle, Carnage and The U disbanding, so I don't want the reader to feel The Virtual Kingdom was idealized with already successful kingdoms in mind. I've spent the majority of my ages in the lower tier and have interacted with players capable of playing at all levels. Most are happy where they are and that's good for the game. I'd like to get the ones floundering with a faithful few players. If we took the grind of recruiting and strat oversight out of the picture and changed the focus to achieving objectives.....my endeavor is to have happy players enjoying an age of challenging goals.
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    Target Distribtion

    There are countless ways to approach the game. Assuming war, let's look at match ups. Say TVK is facing the current war leader comprised of 7 dark elves, 5 faery and 13 humans.

    PORTER vs
    1 dark elf, 1 faery, 3 human

    ALE vs
    2 dark elf, 1 faery, 2 human

    DOPPLEBOCK vs
    1 dark elf, 1 faery, 3 human

    PILSNER vs
    2 dark elf, 1 faery, 2 human

    STOUT vs
    1 dark elf, 1 faery, 3 human

    Now we all know targets, objectives and resources will change dynamically in conflict, so we begin reverse engineering based in mutual vulnerabilities. This is a study we do before during and after war. We might assume the enemy would target our bocan 1st, dryad 2nd, elves 3rd but we could be wrong.

    We know the humans grant an advantage in dragon funding but are poor at rituals. The enemy has no elves for rune efficiency so we can guess the dark elves won't use NM liberally or they will ride particular rituals in the interest of early leverage. We can imagine the faery will distribute self spells to protect the kingdom.

    An educated guess would tell us to target faery 1st or as priority. The dark elves can unleash tremendous damage and build to unbreakable through marching which will dilute tpa and wpa. This is why constant pressure across the field is necessary. If the humans are rogue we can see the beauty of the enemy kingdom distribution.

    We don't look at strats in the light of losing match ups but learning what tools we can use to overpower them. - If the humans are tac we can imagine the faery self spell distribution being more efficient. We then can begin to understand the value of the undead in TVK to create problems in the enemies army yield due to plague further enhanced by chastity. Remember that humans have inherent economy and science advantages that can be quite telling as the age progresses. You might understand here why having an amnesia game can offer certain leverage where traditional methods fail.

    Suffice to say, we could come up with a plethora of possible scenarios. First we turn to fundamental match ups AND strategic fluidity is the no-brainer constant.
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    The Team Is The Band

    In this age of social networking 'the old one's', like myself notice that there's a deficit in many younger players understanding of the team concept. While this generation is equipped with immeasurable team building tools the real life experience is more isolated than pre-Internet culture.

    So I found a Q&A on a concept that defines an iconic team symbol of James Brown: on one.


    dead of night said: ↑
    Hi. I'm watching a great, bio of James Brown right now on CNN. It is stated that one of Brown's musical epiphanies is to emphasize "the one." The one is always dominant. Does this mean simply that the first beat of every measure is the strongest? Or does it mean something else?

    Answer:
    Yes, on the first beat, everything has to fall on "the one", the moment of impact, the beginning of the groove. Listen to "Funky Drummer", "Cold Sweat", "Give It Up Or Turnit A Loose", or Lyn Collins' "Think".

    Other times when he said "the one", it would usually be in a live setting and when he would give a command (either verbal or by hand), it meant that the band needed to stop on the first beat. If any member kept on playing, he would fine them.

    Someone who went further with it was Prince, who would often call for the band to stop on "the one", "the two", "the three", and "the four", and I've even heard "the sixteen", where he's playing with the band to see if they're paying attention. With Prince, as well as James Brown, sometimes the command wasn't verbal, so as their musicians you needed to watch him at all times. Prince had taken a lot of cues from James Brown, so if Prince held up one finger, the band would get into it "on the one". If he held up two fingers, they would vamp "two times". If he held up a 1, but did a gesture as if to say stop, the band should stop. A perfect example of this is the full live version of "America".

    With James Brown, he was at his best between 1966-1974, although most of the footage circulating is from after that.
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    ^ This doesn't mean in kingdom that we cower under absolute authority, it's that we function in shorthand as we hone our personal skills to serve the team. It's not just you: your teammate has to be there for you. If not, a ball drop is declared in the name of picking it up. Things will go wrong and criticism in the moment squanders valuable energy and time. Maybe 3 guys make any money playing Utopia, so keep it friendly and remember we're all human.

    How do we interpret across the concept of the arts, sports and gaming?

    One example: Since faery can cast self spells on teammates we can conceive various packages.

    1. Economy
    2. Prelude to War
    3. Razed and Land Fat in War

    We can institute attacks based in enemy reaction. Since the division system can distill targets to a narrow field we can shorthand attack intel for immediate turnaround. Enemy provinces with stupid names can be reduced to SN 98k defense *active: meaning the enemy being active can result in bounce potential so proceed with caution and possible oversend.

    So let's see the master in action:

    http://www.google.com/url?q=https://...dQMdd27mmrEN17
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    Analog Toughness in a Digital World

    I'm not going to recommend players do as I do, but perhaps understand what I'm doing. Put your mind the place of a blue-collar guy who played football on weekends, drank hard and played pencil & paper RPGs for nearly 40 years. I know that last part seems odd, but pencil & paper RPGs have brought me together with everything from marines to ex-cons, common thugs to doctors, drifters, computer scientists to successful businessmen.

    In RPGs and many strategy based pencil & paper games we most often faced enemies of equal or higher strength than our own. It was high adventure that drove our mutual interest. When we learned of dragons, demons, devils and giants we sought to battle them. In Starfleet Battles we'd match ships and slug it out, pushing the limits of our strategic knowledge.

    When I started playing Utopia there were more players and a variety of dispositions. It was easy for me to find kingdoms with like minded players who'd face any enemy of any strength any time. The fight was everything. I'm accustomed to trying to beat the odds and no part of me felt comfortable attacking smaller kingdoms or inexperienced players.

    Since roughly age 60-61 my practice has been to implement a set of simple challenge idioms. No longer would I random or partake in actions against poorly matched opponents. Because I don't attack unprovoked my army gets hit at home quite a bit and my province suffers losses much higher than the time I was a predator. I will attack on behalf of my kingdom and retaliate in the interest of t/ms that can't defend themselves.

    What I'm saying is there's no fear of superior opponents because my investment is personal honor, not digital resources. When my province is struck by renown badass kingdoms I feel an exhilaration to match blades with great players. And this at the disadvantage of having my army hit at home. There is only the fight. It's not to prove something to the opponent, it's to see if I'm capable of going over the top despite being at the disadvantage. - When I was a teenager playing football I remember the toughness of the adults; hitting them was like hitting a piece of wood and their strength was overwhelming. Learning the difference between being a man and being a boy was frightening but compelling.

    In Utopia we can learn when we push our limits;when the scary part is facing a bigger and better, well organized kingdom. Sometimes we have to give more than we take to reach an objective. Sometimes it's not enough. We should strive to be eternally insightful and aware of our environment. We should be respectful of our enemies and humble in victory. I'm too old to get excited about winning, but I do experience satisfaction.

    After wins or losses I'm prone to offer respect to our opponents as soon as the conflict ends. Always remember not to feed the trolls.
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    Because You're Suppose To Grab Intel

    There are too few kingdoms and too small a player base not to share common strategy. Perhaps even fundementals should be reiterated and I'm glad the devs have sought tutors to convey this need. I'm not a mechanical genius but there are some basic matters I've seen in many kingdoms that require attention.

    Tacticians should be grabbing the majority of intel because they can do it with 100% accuracy with 1 thief. This is actually not happening and at times I get the feeling tacs are sending the same number of thieves as the rest of us. Players tend to hide their lack of knowledge out of shame or apathy: both are bad.

    And advancing the idea that tacticians should be grabbing the majority of intel is to support them in this role. Many kingdoms again take chaining for granted and then we have players who don't understand proper release mathematics. But let's get back to support. In the instance the tactician grows land fat they suffer tpa dilution and most players go around just dealing with it. Oh, they'll train specs and maybe build credit acres but maintaining suitable tpa never crosses their minds.

    You see blindness is a disadvantage in a game without sound, smell, touch or taste. The inability or the struggle to grab intel is a crippling condition and one that many kingdoms ignore as a sign of impending defeat.

    We are more efficient when we keep our tacticians in working order, and understand why. Now I could make this argument across all races and all personalities because:

    I WANT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU THE PHILOSOPHY OF NOT HURTING YOURSELF

    Respectfully, I'm watching t/ms hitting undead that need not be dealt with by the non-immune. I'm not saying we don't hit undead, we hit them when it's strategically beneficial despite plague. Why not leave them to the paladin and undead, if you have it under control? A proper land farm can be prepared and that land farm is the enemy non-immune t/m. Ergo, you get a t/m out of my news and I'll get one out of yours.

    Have not all of us seen a chained province asking for gold the first tick they're in ruin? Yeah, they might have their gold stolen, but more often than not they have no reserve. Not only that, the kingdom never really actively "gets" that provinces will be chained and will need support. It's like a slop mechanism ~ whoever walks by the bum throws 'em a quarter. We should be thinking stage two a lot more than we are.

    The dragon is an automated weapon. I'm under the impression people think I don't like dragons, but it's not true. Why do you think I'm an economy guy in Utopia? It's that you shouldn't fund at your detriment. I've seen many kingdoms lose wars in part because funding was prioritized. I don't mean a little part, I mean a big part. People going untrained for days, getting razed and pouring money into the dragon that's 10 million gold away from completion. It's like trying to buy a Cadillac when you're being mugged by a knife wielding maniac: "As soon as I buy this Cadillac I'm gonna run your ass over!" - he slides down the glass at the pay booth in a pool of bad decisions.

    People know what you're doing. Wave time is like a sniper waving to his target. So....

    Targeting is just horrible in certain places. If I didn't know better I'd suspect these monarchs were multis working for the government. I mean, you know what I mean.
    But suffice to say, many kingdom strategies are so so bad that they are virtual FW vs a competent opponent. It's tantamount to giving it away. And then you get the odd discipline vibe about how the important thing is sticking to the plan. REALEST, a former badass and intuitive smart guy, recommends max gains and I have to agree when we can't get sophisticated. Nobody even tries max gains till they're WDing from war. It's incredible to see a better attack philosophy relegated to the basement move of hapless kingdoms getting obliterated.

    Follow me here; and if I did say "max gains" then most guys see it as an all the time thing. Lack of nuance is so prevalent you can barely speak pragmatically with people. Life and gaming is not full blast. Any of us can go full ridiculous, but you notice some are refined and easy with the power knob.

    So when I'm speaking about objectives, what do I mean? It means we need to establish our dominance in a given field. So the targets can be defined or visceral. In an earlier post I demonstrated a target based array of matching enemy to division, but that's just a demonstration of an option. The division determines the conduct and methods to acquire the objective. I like to keep people away from the staid manner that many kingdoms operate. In that scenario we are simply showing each division what it must overcome to see victory.

    When you look at opposing divisions, as it were, you see the fundamental micro. We all know the macro, but you'll still have people doing inefficient actions against a kingdom with obvious macro advantages. Like letting big attackers hang around or ignoring the sabotage landscape.
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    I've been in several kingdoms that survey players for GMT then declare a wave time compromise based on how many are active during a particular tick. This in itself is a good idea, but it does nothing for the players where wave time is hazardous to employment, sound sleep and family obligations. To get around this some kingdoms only recruit for particular GMT(Greenwich Mean Time) which is a decent solution.

    The problems we have dictating wave times is the wave window. I've had enemy kingdoms nearly go berserk because the kingdom I occupied couldn't muster the activity to satisfy their opening wave. We now have instant declare, but that's not a strategic solution.

    Our virtual kingdom is just a template, but the order of business is fundamental: we want the best from all our players, not a hurried low quality effort. So we strat before the age begins with certain priorities in mind, the highest priority being quality of play.

    When players choose race and personality we also want a coherent examination of prime activity and intent based in role. Let's say we have a quality player who can't make the wave time of 15 others. We can begin to imagine the ideal camper and rover roles.

    If you're not aware of a camper role it is the practice of striking at opportunity and turtling otherwise. Imagine dwarves and dark elves making ideal campers. They often seem lethargic. You'll note they're online a lot but seldom engage until the environment dictates a measure of leverage. Campers can be deceptively effective but require great awareness and province strat discipline.

    Rovers are the dogged high activity players who by measure of quality would be wasted in the confinement of wave based operations. Avian aficionados, certain hybrids, tacs and devil may care t/ms fit this role. Best left to sorting out their own targets. These players might appear arrogant but let them work for you and by the end of the day you won't regret it.

    The wave community are the largest populace in the game, but quality is no less imperative. I'm not one of them but there are plenty of players that truly enjoy a seamless unified effort. Their euphoria is obvious throughout the wave and their attention to expediency is charming. The secret here is to assure the fanatic neat freaks stay in their wheelhouse. What wheelhouse? They should be concerned with the wave and leave the campers and rovers to attend their special roles.

    There are certain personalities I've observed with particular skills the kingdom will find desirable:

    The Monarch - Expectations for monarchy are often out of whack for their actual ideal purpose. Natural leadership qualities are a given, but they don't have to be the primary strategist unless that strategy is delegation. Cool heads prevail but even nut jobs can be fantastic monarchs. Let's just not expect miracles from people just like you and me.

    The Steward - Another high variable, the most commonly effective stewards I've seen are the wave managers and spread sheet faithful. The reason this power with these skills is desirable is because they can act within the scope of their activity. Again these are just guidelines but it's what I've seen from the best. Oftentimes you'll find the fanatics gunning for steward. They're a bit too extreme for monarchy, but wonderful under duress.

    Snatch News Cipher - Rare as hens teeth, I've never had the pleasure to be in kingdom with a good cipher but have faced them in war. This, either talent or skill, is one of the greatest efficiency assets a kingdom can recruit. You really don't know till you see their work, but it's wise to take what they say very seriously. A good SN cipher can shorten wars and keep the kingdom out of trouble. Their skill lends greater yield from operations, sabotage and target selection. Top kingdoms with old lineage, a very very few top warring kingdoms and incredibly rare casual kingdoms are places I've witnessed cipher work.

    Note: One practice I've encouraged is the idea of every province in the kingdom choosing one kingdom to snatch news from throughout the age. The hope is to develop an interest in intel deciphering.

    Random Ace - These cocky players are fairly important for the prelude to war and leverage mechanics. Many players are just bad opportunists and waste meter for negligible gain. The Random Ace is the clean killer who knows who to hit and when. Top kingdoms love these guys so they can be difficult to find in the trailer parks of Utopia central. Like Snatch News Ciphers the Random Ace is part knack part skill.

    Sizzle Snake The Diplomat - "Salesmen. Why'd have to be salesmen?" ~ Indiana Jones ~

    You can tell the guys who love and excel at diplomacy by the number of players that hate them but keep coming back to deal with them. These are the last people I want to talk to, but it's not out of anything but admiration. Admiration for stomach turning crap. I've known a number of salesmen and met a few saleswomen and it's always an eye rolling experience. That said, a dealer in snake oil is an invaluable member of a complete kingdom. Always look for the best because diplo is an above the game skill that very few master.
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    Wave Management Expanded

    In the previous post we gleaned upon the steward as wave manager. Wave management is a fairly involved strategic exercise involving not just a breadth of mechanical and intel knowledge but fast thinking and adaptation on the fly. Here I'll attempt to offer what I've seen, organizationally.

    We'll approach this demonstration from the often used chain wave. Certain aspects will be simplified to assist mental digestion and you can use your imagination to add your own flavor. The wave is organized via com system; the com system we used was the old irc utilizing 3 private channels - 1. leadership, 2. wave channel, 3. finishing/left overs.

    Players are instructed to keep to answering instruction only in the wave channel.

    Targets are chosen. In our case we'll imagine the enemy kingdom largest heavy attackers. We are running a Nightmare wave in this instance.

    1. Highest modified wpa is instructed to cast Mystic Vortex on the first target. Once the prefered defensive spells are eliminated the Nightmare run begins.

    2. Nightmare capable provinces are instructed to cast; in our case, till the target troop yield drops just below 100 per cast. Once achieved the ops stop with spare runes/mana saved for the next target.

    3. Sabotage begins. The type of sabotage depends. Let's assume our target is heavy in Guard Stations. Rogues will use Greater Arson to eliminate Guard Stations while non-rogues may be instructed to Nightstrike additional troops, Watch Towers may also be targeted to reduce thief loss during the sabotage run.

    4. Our attackers have already been instructed to declare nw/acres and modified offense. Immediately after the Nighmare ops/Sabotage package the attackers are instructed to attack in nw/acres highest modified offense order. In our scenario we will use Cross Chaining. Cross Chsining is the practice of having the highest nw/acre mod offense to hit first and last. I'll illustrate how this is organized. For speed and efficiency the wave manager will already have the relevant intel and will instruct how much offense to send on each tap of each attacker. In this example we will imagine 3 attackers for simplicity sake, thus:

    Highest nw/acres mod offense - attacks 1st for highest gains
    2nd highest nw/acres mod offense - attacks for 2nd highest gains
    3rd highest nw/acres mod offense - attacks for 3rd highest gains
    3rd highest nw/acres mod offense - repeats for 4th highest gains
    2nd highest nw/acres mod offense - attacks for 5th highest gains
    Highest nw/acres mod offense - attacks 6th for lowest gains

    The reason we Cross Chain is multifold. First, we have relative gains across the chain alignment so that all attackers maintain chain alignment. Second, the target is faced with ambush possibilities that offer meager gains on the initial ambush. Because the gains are relative, the choice of enemy counter measures are reduced to pick'em rather than provinces with low incoming acres. The system is easy to remember and we each get a portion of our army out ASAP rather than waiting for any number of attackers to complete taps. This results in higher offensive sustain.

    * In this demonstration you should note that 2 generals were used on the 1st target. The exercise is repeated from the highest wpa Mystic Vortex cast down to the last general of the highest nw/acres mod offense on the 2nd wave target.

    The finsh/leftovers channel is where t/m commence marches against the chained targets.

    This concludes my recollection of a Nightmare Cross Chain wave. There are several ways to approach waving. My hope is to offer perspective on what some of the more polished kingdoms might do. Not only are we studying how to attack but also offer perspective. There are ways to derail waves through proper micro, if you use your intuition on how certain waves are implemented.
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    I've spent a minute explaining a Nightmare wave in kind of a blobby, fill in the blanks kind of way. Not to deflate our faith in the Nightmare wave, when I was in Pyro and we lost our war to Freeakstyle it may interest you to know FS didn't NM wave. Those unfamiliar with a classic FS strat, they ran roughly half faery, half undead. Despite having half a kingdom of faery the NM aspect wasn't the focus...at least in our war.

    So lesson one is that great kingdoms adapt and may act totally unpredictable. We were orc cleric core in Pyro so we had Reflect Magic but didn't have Clear Sight. Thus:

    I WANT TO IMPRESS UPON YOU THE PHILOSOPHY OF NOT HURTING YOURSELF

    Because fundamentally, FS didn't hurt themselves. They, at the basic level, exploited the obvious hole of not having Clear Sight by focusing more on sabotage and theft. Second basic was to raze, thus crushing Watch Towers making sabotage less hazardous resulting in thief sustain and stealth reliability. Most kingdoms that pursue the idea of shelling big attackers sometimes miss the macro and get caught up in honor farming or population control without a vision. There are kingdoms that understand the value of Chastity and those that feel landing Meteor Swarm justifies itself. We should try to recognize the game in the breadth of objectives over pretty pictures like full op blankets or full activity kingdom pages. This goes back to my comments concerning dragon funding and kingdom well being.

    Now to get you to the micro, I'll use a Seinfeld quote ~ Cherish the Cabin ~
    Because in Pyro, the micro was being controlled from a central province, the monarch, our micro was telegraphed. FS was able to derail our intent before implementation because they were nimble.

    To be continued...Edit: friend walked in and social graces being what they are I put this off.

    So ~ Cherish the Cabin ~. FS was quietly adamant about defending their means of victory; that was the practical unbreakability of their faeries. When I was instructed to engage a faery, FS began to buzz my province and attacking my army at home. They apparently soldier balled(if I remember I'll explain later). The giveaway was our slow and overly optimized micro. We had quite an argument when my attack bounced.

    Let's examine why:

    1. I'm a veteran of many chaotic and long endurance wars so I was confident but the monarch wasn't confident in me.

    2. My instructions were not to "get the faery" in no matter how much esoteric math we'd like to explore. Because we were so tightly microed my initial attacks were for measly land targets with my leftovers going toward the faery. My argument was that the faery should've been the primary target so the attack would be immediate, untelegraphed and the majority of my offense would've been in/out very quickly.

    3. We were not gathering our own intel(see wave management above) so my faith was forced by meta. Thus, any intel gathered by particular provinces in Pyro were known imminent targets in FS. Do you see how that works? FS knew if intel was gathered by what appeared to be Pyro council and armies consolidated it meant a big hit was in the works.
    We're talking about championship kingdoms here and activity is furiously high. Things move very quickly so your fundemental is integral to victory.

    The point is that FS was keenly aware of their challenges vs a whoring kingdom. They knew how to walk down a kingdom strat that didn't boast the defensive integrity they've perfected over the ages. In retrospect this was a great learning experience for both me and Pyro council. I think those guys are better players for the FS loss. That loss influenced much of my approach to The Virtual Kingdom.

    THE DIVISION SYSTEM: Weatherby Mark V bolt action rifle
    Is not an improvement over kingdom wide waving, but incorporates universal mechanisms I've learned elsewhere. In my experience I've seen waves get jammed and fail so my thoughts went toward a feature you see in the Weatherby Mark V action. Despite being overbuilt and perhaps the strongest production rifle action in the world, the Mark V has a thoughtful gas dispersion design with gas ports. The locking bolts are recessed so the bolt sleeve is the width of the action cavity so the gas escape externally goes through the magazine. The rear of the bolt has a massive steel hood that prevents gas from dispersing from the firing pin into the shooters eye.

    How does the division system apply? We aren't in a domino alignment that can cause catastrophic failure. If you've seen the opening chain wave mystic get their Mystic Vortex blocked by Mystic Aura etc. Then you're watching the collapse. Then the timer starts ticking. The needle point of the spearhead getting blocked suddenly keeps the entire blade from slicing through. This is where ego gets in the way and action is paramount.

    You not only should have a plan B, but it should be a comfortable dual threat. Like I've said before, in D&D the running joke was plan A never works and plan B was Get'em. We would spend a great deal of time planning plan A but you can't underestimate your enemies in real time and expect positive results.

    The division system offers an escape port, if you will, at the 5 province mark. A catastrophe that effects 5 provinces is a kingdom disaster but not a war ending one.

    The reason I'm not encouraging timed waves here is multifold in that most players can't pull a full 24/7 activity and we have an elliptical system in place anyways. The 5 divisions will overlap in a kind of controlled chaos undulating way. There will be moments when apex ability will concentrate and fade from division to division. The traffic will be almost unsightly, but it will have a hidden grace to those who can read the flow.
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    Fact is activity is critical in Utopia in the competitive arena. I've been very active so I can attest to the differences that win wars before they begin. Many midlevel t/ms don't have the activity necessary to defend kingdom interests so we see them rendered nearly useless early in conflict by active competitive kingdoms. This is simply a condition of real life. We can't blame someone for running a turtle to continue playing Utopia.

    What can we do? This applies to active players or players that are active during critical moments.

    Let's start with Dwarves and Mystic Aura. Dwarves can spam Mystic Aura to block ops. In itself this isn't so spectacular, but we can transform this moment into a rally point. The dwarf will probably go down anyways, but we can make it costly.

    The next and commonly used tactic is Soldier Ball. Soldier Ball can take on a pamphlet worth of forms and the utility has been nerfed ages on end. When bocan were halflings and halflings had 2 point soldiers some kingdoms mastered the tactics to an art. BeastBlood used a Soldier Ball to reap such magnificent rewards that certain mechanics were changed in Utopia to blunt the tactics further.
    Still, there is the benefit of bouncing attacks and augmenting offense where no other option would suffice. Against waves based in the stealth efficient practice of taking a single SoM, Soldier Ball can rear its ugly head.

    Soldiers can come from anywhere; just remember orcs draft free. Avians are fast and have the Aggression spell, so we can see some basic formulas for attack purposes. Soldiers can be bunched into a single kingdom ball or you can have a number of them moving from place to place. The instantaneous nature of aid allows us to explore the possibilities. Don't forget to evolve in war. When attackers are fat and offenses dwindle we can use these tactics for offensive and defensive purposes just as well. Practice and learn.

    The last thing I'll mention is relay tapping where armies are in/out at progressive intervals. Controversy surrounding this practice is in the diluted total offense available at a time and the possibility of having armies hit at home. My philosophy on the later is if you want to hit my armies home you must do it rather than say it. The relay tapping province must be incredibly active and a nose for opportunity is a boon.

    I've run relay taps at the highest levels against some of the best micro and it works. One of my journeys to the top was to experiment against kingdoms that were best able to combat the tactic. In the interest of derailing waves the relay taps are used to knock enemy wave alignment out of nw/acre max.

    I've often found it odd that kingdoms who complain about having max offense bunched into a single tap also ignore t/ms more often than not. Relay taps are complimentary to bunched attacks in our kingdoms interest. It's about approaching your enemy with a complexity of offensive caveats rather than a known wave time. For simplicity sake consider relay tapping rover/hunter/killers and wave time crushers working together in spearhead and interference roles. I've run relay taps for ages. In my experience the benefits outweigh the negatives. If anything, I enjoy a few rounds vs the enemies intent on stopping the relay.
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    Wave Derailment

    Fact is activity is critical in Utopia in the competitive arena. I've been very active so I can attest to the differences that win wars before they begin. Many midlevel t/ms don't have the activity necessary to defend kingdom interests so we see them rendered nearly useless early in conflict by active competitive kingdoms. This is simply a condition of real life. We can't blame someone for running a turtle to continue playing Utopia.

    What can we do? This applies to active players or players that are active during critical moments.

    Let's start with Dwarves and Mystic Aura. Dwarves can spam Mystic Aura to block ops. In itself this isn't so spectacular, but we can transform this moment into a rally point. The dwarf will probably go down anyways, but we can make it costly.

    Did this last age.. Hilarious fun was had. Works better when you aren't already almost out of mana though.

    I expect my T/Ms to be the most active in the kingdom. It is way too easy to disable a T/M that has a predictable schedule, if they refresh all the MS/Riots on the same tick everyday, just hit them with SW (or ET for thieves) the tick before they usually login. It is MUCH harder to disable a T/M that is online every tick to spend their stealth and mana. You can ET or SW (Expose Thieves or Sabotage Wizards) as much as you like, but you will probably expend more stealth or mana than you actually remove.

    Now, that is still a viable strat if you do it right at tick, and you have more folks doing it than they have T/Ms. If your attackers can land ET on their rogues, it can be worth it, but you have to be fast. A good T/M will expend those resources at the start of the tick.

    As well, you will probably be more efficient doing more damage as well.. For an attacker, you really only need to login the tick before your army returns twice a day to make sure wages are paid and you have options to deal with overpop. More active attackers are more effective, but the returns are much less apparent. That is why when someone tells me they won't be that active, I tell them to go attacker.

    Just to toss something in about Hybrids, you need to combine the activity of the T/M with a competency level of managing both roles. If you can't manage a province efficiently, you won't be very effective at either role. Hybrid is a lot of fun to play, but it is challenging to play well.

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