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    Cure nihilism. Teachers don't need guns children need philosophy. Show me the suicide rates in the countries with stricter gun laws; drug-related crime rates, unemployment, etc. Such a narrow scope on an issue of such magnitude is futile.

    Guns are bad mkay but the 2nd amendment makes a lot of sense.

    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

    Cuz you know, the security of a free state (ours) is important.

    It's not a gun rights issue it's nihilism.

    In this individual's poorly informed opinion anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolzly View Post
    Cure nihilism. Teachers don't need guns children need philosophy. Show me the suicide rates in the countries with stricter gun laws; drug-related crime rates, unemployment, etc. Such a narrow scope on an issue of such magnitude is futile.

    Guns are bad mkay but the 2nd amendment makes a lot of sense.

    "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed"

    Cuz you know, the security of a free state (ours) is important.

    It's not a gun rights issue it's nihilism.

    In this individual's poorly informed opinion anyway.
    There's a big difference between "A well regulated militia" which aims to protect the people and some lone wolves misquoting the 2nd amendment to own a small arsenal to compensate for ... something.
    Also you have to remember that way back, the best guns they had were muskets. Muskets have short range, poor accuracy and long reloading times. Even a semi-automatic rifle with a 'small' 10-round magazine is far superior to a musket in every way and assault rifles more so.

    But I agree with you that the US does a poor job of caring for it's citizens which results in higher rates of crime and drug use. Which in turn leads to more violence.
    Imagine if all that money spent on war and lobbying was instead spent on education and healthcare....
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    But that's socialism!


    Also, it's not entirely true to say that there was only muskets around when they wrote the 2nd amendment. There was most definitely rapid fire guns and canons and so forth, even if muskets were absolutely the most common firearm around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    But that's socialism!
    Socialist Europa has far fewer mass shootings than the US even though many Swiss and Scandinavians have access to modern firearms

    Also, it's not entirely true to say that there was only muskets around when they wrote the 2nd amendment. There was most definitely rapid fire guns and canons and so forth, even if muskets were absolutely the most common firearm around

    Somehow I don't see people bringing cannons to a school shooting.
    As for automatic firearms: Oldest ones I could find are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrailleuse and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun both of which showed up more than half a century after the 2nd amendment and I don't see a school shooter lugging those around either

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    Quote Originally Posted by Landro View Post
    Socialist Europa has far fewer mass shootings than the US even though many Swiss and Scandinavians have access to modern firearms
    Do I really have to start using the sarcasm tag? C'mon y'all =/




    Somehow I don't see people bringing cannons to a school shooting.
    As for automatic firearms: Oldest ones I could find are https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitrailleuse and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatling_gun both of which showed up more than half a century after the 2nd amendment and I don't see a school shooter lugging those around either
    I didn't say automatic. The Kalthoff repeater existed 100+ years before the 2nd amendment was written.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
    More importantly, I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at. Automatic weapons existed long before school shootings became a major problem. It's not someone invented a gun designed for shooting schools up in the 90s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Palem View Post
    Do I really have to start using the sarcasm tag? C'mon y'all =/
    When murrikans talk bad about socialism, they tend to mean it, but every now and then there's a smart ass who lectures you about sarcasm.

    I didn't say automatic. The Kalthoff repeater existed 100+ years before the 2nd amendment was written.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kalthoff_repeater
    More importantly, I'm not sure what point you're trying to get at. Automatic weapons existed long before school shootings became a major problem. It's not someone invented a gun designed for shooting schools up in the 90s.
    Perhaps they should introduce a new weapons line for school shooters. There seems to be a sizable market for it and the first one to enter that market could make a killing.

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    Another problem solved by capitalism
    /s (just in case)

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    35 years ago many kids in school had weapons in their trucks and cars at school. There were no shootings or even thought about it. Not long after that tho to many Parents got the idea that their children shouldn't be spanked or discipled not only at home but at school either.Now those children have children themselves and most have no concept of consequences for their actions . When parents start being parents again instead of trying to be their childrens best friends we might go back to how things used to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thunder TA View Post
    35 years ago many kids in school had weapons in their trucks and cars at school. There were no shootings or even thought about it. Not long after that tho to many Parents got the idea that their children shouldn't be spanked or discipled not only at home but at school either.Now those children have children themselves and most have no concept of consequences for their actions . When parents start being parents again instead of trying to be their childrens best friends we might go back to how things used to be.
    What dream world you live in?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...d_States#1980s

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    Don't you just love it when people agree with you?


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