Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 16

Thread: Avians can use horses on attack?

  1. #1
    Post Fiend
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    269

    Avians can use horses on attack?

    They can steal them and use them on attack.

    Is this intended?

  2. #2
    Post Demon umajon911's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2014
    Location
    VA, US
    Posts
    1,932
    proof?
    “The only person you are destined to become is the person you decide to be.”
    Age 63-70- Fluffylicious
    Age 73-79- SYG

  3. #3
    Post Fiend
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    269
    They can test that themselves.

    I can copy Munkbot text if they wish.

    Province was an avian rogue that tested it out. Stole horses, attacked, then lost 5 on an attack.

  4. #4
    Forum Addict tras19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    1,247
    Im pretty sure theyve always been able to steal them and use on an attack. They cant build stables and train them, nor house them longer than the tick during which they stole them if i remember correctly
    Player History

    -Returned in Age 55: "Happy Grasslands" Undead Cleric in WE KC (M)
    -Age 56: "Cortez the Killer" Elf Mystic in WE KC (M)
    -Age 57 1st Half: "KC March of the Penguins" Avian Warrior in WE KC (M)
    -Age 57 2nd Half: "Granny Smith" Halfling Rogue in TFC
    -Age 58: "A Horse With No Name - America" Halfling Rogue in HRS Partial (S)
    -Age 59 1st Half: "Birthday Cake Remix" Avian Cleric in HRS
    -Age 59 2nd Half: "Birthday Cake Remix" Avian Cleric in AC
    (S)
    -Age 60 1st Half: "Beaver" Elf Mystic in AC (M)
    -Age 60 2nd Half: "I don t want" Undead Tactician in Allstars
    -Age 61: "trizzle my wizzle" Undead Tactician in Allstars
    -Age 62: "Tras19 is amazed by midgets" Dwarf Sage in Beastblood (CROWN x 2)
    -Age 63 yr 1-12: "To learn his Elfabet" Avian Merchant in Beastblood
    -Age 63 yr 12-14: "Thanks for the death Flogger" Orc Tactician in Beastblood
    -Age 64 yr 1-6: "Lust and Thrust" Halfling Rogue in PewPew
    -Age 65: "back yet again" Elf Merchant in Old Skool (M)
    -Return again in Age 67: "Whimsyton" Elf Merchant in the ghetto
    -Age 68 1st Half: "This Girl is on Shire" Halfling Rogue in The Shirish Mafia (M)
    -Return Yet Again in Age 76 2nd Half: "Happy Grasslands" Dark Elf Paladin in BOL
    -Age 77: "?" Human Sage in ? (M)


    Noteworthy Achievments

    *** Age 62: Books of War ... KD Land Crown and KD NW Crown Winner with Beastblood ***
    *** Was a member of The Faery Circle, yet have never played Faery ***
    *** Have never had a province die except once when I let Flogger province sit me for 24 hours in a war ***

  5. #5
    Post Fiend
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    269
    Quote Originally Posted by tras19 View Post
    Im pretty sure theyve always been able to steal them and use on an attack. They cant build stables and train them, nor house them longer than the tick during which they stole them if i remember correctly
    Bolding the key part

    http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...4#post15466414

    Races

    Avian

    Bonuses
    -25% Attack travel time
    +40% Birth Rate
    +25% Specialist Credits from Attacks

    Penalties
    Cannot Use War Horses/Stables

    Spell book: Fanaticism and Greater Protection
    Elite: Offense: 8 Defense: 2 Networth: 8.5 Cost: 850
    Soldiers: Offense: 1 Defense: 1

  6. #6
    Forum Addict tras19's Avatar
    Join Date
    Aug 2012
    Location
    Utah
    Posts
    1,247
    It should say "build" instead of "use"
    Player History

    -Returned in Age 55: "Happy Grasslands" Undead Cleric in WE KC (M)
    -Age 56: "Cortez the Killer" Elf Mystic in WE KC (M)
    -Age 57 1st Half: "KC March of the Penguins" Avian Warrior in WE KC (M)
    -Age 57 2nd Half: "Granny Smith" Halfling Rogue in TFC
    -Age 58: "A Horse With No Name - America" Halfling Rogue in HRS Partial (S)
    -Age 59 1st Half: "Birthday Cake Remix" Avian Cleric in HRS
    -Age 59 2nd Half: "Birthday Cake Remix" Avian Cleric in AC
    (S)
    -Age 60 1st Half: "Beaver" Elf Mystic in AC (M)
    -Age 60 2nd Half: "I don t want" Undead Tactician in Allstars
    -Age 61: "trizzle my wizzle" Undead Tactician in Allstars
    -Age 62: "Tras19 is amazed by midgets" Dwarf Sage in Beastblood (CROWN x 2)
    -Age 63 yr 1-12: "To learn his Elfabet" Avian Merchant in Beastblood
    -Age 63 yr 12-14: "Thanks for the death Flogger" Orc Tactician in Beastblood
    -Age 64 yr 1-6: "Lust and Thrust" Halfling Rogue in PewPew
    -Age 65: "back yet again" Elf Merchant in Old Skool (M)
    -Return again in Age 67: "Whimsyton" Elf Merchant in the ghetto
    -Age 68 1st Half: "This Girl is on Shire" Halfling Rogue in The Shirish Mafia (M)
    -Return Yet Again in Age 76 2nd Half: "Happy Grasslands" Dark Elf Paladin in BOL
    -Age 77: "?" Human Sage in ? (M)


    Noteworthy Achievments

    *** Age 62: Books of War ... KD Land Crown and KD NW Crown Winner with Beastblood ***
    *** Was a member of The Faery Circle, yet have never played Faery ***
    *** Have never had a province die except once when I let Flogger province sit me for 24 hours in a war ***

  7. #7
    Veteran goodlilwitch's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2010
    Posts
    711
    I've heard from a couple people that they don't have that op available to them as an avian.

  8. #8
    Sir Postalot Pillz's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    Location
    Sinners NA
    Posts
    3,191
    Quote Originally Posted by tras19 View Post
    Im pretty sure theyve always been able to steal them and use on an attack. They cant build stables and train them, nor house them longer than the tick during which they stole them if i remember correctly
    They used to be able to, but there was a change that hasn't been overridden to prevent them from having access to Steal Warhorses.

    EDIT: or was it from using what they stole? Either way they can't use them anymore.

    I imagine this is a bug specific to avian/rogue, if it even exists. Sometimes I forget which race I'm playing, it happens.

  9. #9
    Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    450
    Quote Originally Posted by goodlilwitch View Post
    I've heard from a couple people that they don't have that op available to them as an avian.
    Could be that rogue access to all ops overrides the Avian not having it in the coding. So there are 3 avians on the server that could do this..

  10. #10
    Post Fiend
    Join Date
    Sep 2008
    Location
    Michigan, USA
    Posts
    269
    Quote Originally Posted by Pestilence View Post
    Could be that rogue access to all ops overrides the Avian not having it in the coding. So there are 3 avians on the server that could do this..

    He's an avian rogue, so that'd fit.

    They should fix it, even if only 3 people have the option.

  11. #11
    Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2015
    Posts
    44
    I'd have to agree, the Avian code should prevent war horses from showing up in the "War Room" tab regardless of how many you have. I think it's fine for all avian's to be able to steal horses since it's a possible strategy to lower an enemies offense. But they should not be able to use them to attack.

  12. #12
    Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    450
    Quote Originally Posted by Ragnarok View Post
    I'd have to agree, the Avian code should prevent war horses from showing up in the "War Room" tab regardless of how many you have. I think it's fine for all avian's to be able to steal horses since it's a possible strategy to lower an enemies offense. But they should not be able to use them to attack.
    I've thought the same thing. Normally you release a certain amount and bring back half of whatever it is, avian should just release all and bring back none.

  13. #13
    Member
    Join Date
    Dec 2013
    Posts
    40
    So, Last age we had 4 avian Rogues in our kd. All 4 could steal horses because "Rogues" have access to all thievery operations. Non rogue avians could not steal war horses. Once I stole war horses, I could use them on all attacks. IN war I would have many thousand and as long as I stayed army in and out, they remained the same as any prov with horses and no stable.

    My interpretation of the exploit is as per above. All Avians can use war horses(No restriction in the war screen only for a lack of horses), but the limiting factor was that normal avian could not steal them. The rogue personality trait over ruled that sole restriction.
    The game rules for last age and this age read the same. I assume the exploit remains.

    Last age there were 8 on the server. I was interested in using this again, but we went in a different direction. Avian Rogue in was has very good staying power and was a lot of fun It was also a total fluke that we picked up on it. Our goal was to be rogue heavy and being allowed to use war horses a lucky bonus, but also not in keeping with the spirit of Avians. Frankly, I'm surprised to wait this long before seeing anyone post about it.
    Last edited by Naimadally; 30-07-2018 at 22:32.

  14. #14
    Enthusiast
    Join Date
    Oct 2011
    Posts
    450
    From the changes post..

    Penalties
    Cannot Use War Horses/Stables


    From the lobby page..

    Penalties:

    Can't use Stables



    Seems like either a manner of poor communication or poor coding. I recall in the past someone asking about avian being able to use horses and an admin changing the wording to include horses/stables. Problem seems to be that their solution on the coding side was just to make "Steal War Horses" not available to avians. If it's not possible to have Avian not use horses in the coding I would think they would simply change the value on avian horses to 0/0.

  15. #15
    Post Demon Avenger's Avatar
    Join Date
    Nov 2008
    Location
    EU
    Posts
    1,831
    So, just like Undead/Rogue got all the ops.
    Discord: Hex | IRC: Hextor / Avenger

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •