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    age 79 combined charts

    First lets congrats emeriti on #1 land and nw, and padovia on ww and honor. not an easy feat for either kd. next

    per palems old posts the combined all 4 charts goes as follows

    The usual reminders:
    -This ranking is not to be considered a "power chart". It's simply how each kingdom did with respect to all of the charts.
    -I am human. I can err. If you find a mistake (especially this age with my excel skills needing to be dusted off), politely point it out and I'd be happy to correct anything that's wrong.
    -Constructive criticism is always welcome. I think I've proved time and again that I'm willing to adjust the chart to make it better, so long as it supports it's purpose.
    -Chart is calculated using the relative values compared to the chart winner, per chart. Exact formula:
    (Honor/#1 Honor) + (Land/#1 Land) + (NW/#1 NW) + (WW/#1 WW)

    1 ..... 3.215134 ..... Plaidovia (6:4)
    2 ..... 3.110798 ..... Greatest Of All Time Emeriti (5:20)
    3 ..... 2.667667 ..... Wolfpack - Sunbathing DND (6:14)
    4 ..... 2.242716 ..... MarvelouS Immortal Lost Souls (3:18)
    5 ..... 2.039588 ..... Antiheroes - VICTORY (4:3)
    6 ..... 2.014619 ..... Merciless (4:11)
    7 ..... 1.968353 ..... Hipmunks AT WAR (6:13)
    8 ..... 1.943317 ..... Confession of Lotus (5:15)
    9 ..... 1.937334 ..... weHurt (4:2)
    10 ..... 1.923351 ..... BLOODLUST v Plaidovia (6:3)
    11 ..... 1.777011 ..... FSKD at WAR (5:2)
    12 ..... 1.728793 ..... Mansoors Infidels (5:7)
    13 ..... 1.697109 ..... Reckless (6:8)
    14 ..... 1.691737 ..... BULLS ON PARADE (5:5)
    15 ..... 1.687406 ..... Kings in the North (3:20)
    16 ..... 1.642515 ..... Last age RIP AvArice (5:11)
    17 ..... 1.577006 ..... Madness (6:2)
    18 ..... 1.575995 ..... Divinity is Divine (6:11)
    19 ..... 1.562589 ..... CanWe at WAR - recruiting 1 (3:5)
    20 ..... 1.493810 ..... wSk recruiting fu Stefan (5:18)
    21 ..... 1.491369 ..... SETTLERS (4:10)
    22 ..... 1.402735 ..... -__- (5:1)
    23 ..... 1.399548 ..... RECRUITING - PM KING (5:6)
    24 ..... 1.390523 ..... Milkmen (6:9)
    25 ..... 1.360777 ..... The Wishmasters (6:19)
    26 ..... 1.307154 ..... RuthleSS (2:9)
    27 ..... 1.289127 ..... Empyrean Rock and Roll (4:1)
    28 ..... 1.288800 ..... The Void - WAR and Recruiting (6:6)
    29 ..... 1.280123 ..... AT War PSO (6:20)
    30 ..... 1.276064 ..... Gravity (1:9)
    31 ..... 1.269592 ..... WarMonkeys (5:3)
    32 ..... 1.217422 ..... Ghetto Nightmare (3:14)
    33 ..... 1.147750 ..... Immortal Lands recruiting 4 (3:19)
    34 ..... 1.123809 ..... The Firestorm (4:14)
    35 ..... 1.115276 ..... Unity of Bards (5:4)
    36 ..... 1.083902 ..... Warcraft recruiting (5:19)
    37 ..... 1.083788 ..... Colors WAR (6:7)
    38 ..... 1.081674 ..... Vacation time (4:17)
    39 ..... 1.077016 ..... The Original Matriarchy war (4:4)
    40 ..... 1.073803 ..... Hello Beaches - Recruit (3:4)
    41 ..... 1.030548 ..... Amber NI (5:10)
    42 ..... 1.004534 ..... Recruiting for Next Age (2:10)
    43 ..... 0.998400 ..... Howling Marvel Mutts WAR STO (5:17)
    44 ..... 0.988910 ..... Ze Trolls - Age of Forced CF (4:7)
    45 ..... 0.985977 ..... TBH is FKD (5:13)
    46 ..... 0.983132 ..... F L U F F Y L I C I O U S (5:9)
    47 ..... 0.975652 ..... Monsters (2:14)
    48 ..... 0.973505 ..... The Pumpkin Patch (6:1)
    49 ..... 0.953493 ..... Old Mcdonald Had a Farm (3:10)
    50 ..... 0.944325 ..... Tactical Tech Recruiting (1:20)
    51 ..... 0.939577 ..... Ode to Knights (5:8)
    52 ..... 0.920232 ..... Forsaken (2:11)
    53 ..... 0.915595 ..... Wookie WarCry Brewery (2:2)
    54 ..... 0.913217 ..... Lowriders (4:12)
    55 ..... 0.911081 ..... Little League - gc on basphalt (7:17)
    56 ..... 0.902083 ..... Unnamed kingdom (4:19)
    57 ..... 0.893537 ..... Randomly Chose Plains (4:15)
    58 ..... 0.890885 ..... The Myths-we retal next age (3:1)
    59 ..... 0.876563 ..... Camelot (5:14)
    60 ..... 0.864318 ..... Tomatoes (2:17)
    61 ..... 0.863587 ..... Hospitaller (1:17)
    62 ..... 0.854964 ..... War College UEC (1:12)
    63 ..... 0.853124 ..... Illusions Eternal (1:4)
    64 ..... 0.846343 ..... Kill it or be Killed Rebuild (3:9)
    65 ..... 0.820536 ..... Bear Necessities (6:16)
    66 ..... 0.819547 ..... Unmanned kingdom (3:7)
    67 ..... 0.817552 ..... Utopian Library (5:16)
    68 ..... 0.816831 ..... Just Huat Fan Club (2:1)
    69 ..... 0.807350 ..... Chaos Neverending NEVER (5:12)
    70 ..... 0.804065 ..... Alphataru (2:12)
    71 ..... 0.796096 ..... DEVOLORIAN (4:16)
    72 ..... 0.786563 ..... Pufferfish (3:11)
    73 ..... 0.785594 ..... Electric Sheep Recruiting (6:18)
    74 ..... 0.774621 ..... Beer N Schnitzel (7:6)
    75 ..... 0.753132 ..... Checkmate PM for EOA War (2:3)
    76 ..... 0.747298 ..... Cities - hostile (3:13)
    77 ..... 0.712493 ..... recruiting forever (3:12)
    78 ..... 0.710888 ..... Submitting Proposed Changes (3:17)
    79 ..... 0.683727 ..... B-O-L (2:15)
    80 ..... 0.682148 ..... Utopian Olympics (1:10)
    81 ..... 0.678717 ..... Rebels inactive again (4:9)
    82 ..... 0.639103 ..... Unnamed (1:7)

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    That is probably about right. I would only have the option of going over the numbers manually to add every kingdom on the server, but don't really have enought spare time for that. I recon there is about 125 full kingdoms left which is why some did not make all 4 charts for t100, the closer the number drop to 100 the more will actually make the list statistically since fewer will be dropping outside t100 anywhere.
    Furthermore I think Carthage should be destroyed and Dryads brought back to the game

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    what a ridiculous chart. Theres absolutely no fathomable reason why anyone would ever put plaidovia ahead of emeriti, who were undefeated and only didnt get max war wins because everyone was either too scared or too ****ty at the game to fight them.

    War win crowns mean nothing when you dont fight against the best KD's.

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    I think you need to reconsider the weighting of those categories, Persian. Anyone can spend weeks warring ghettos to get honor and war points. Hell, you can top the honor charts by farming inactives, as we saw last age. GL trying that with the land/nw charts tho.
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    c'mon now don't be bad sports each category is even as not everyone considder the nw and acre charts to be most desirable. 36 ww points is over 5 for each win, you can't get that from a relative opponent nw of 80%.

    To win ww crown and honor crown both you can't have a single bad war, and you must continue to war all age, to win nw and land crown you can build on an early lead, once you are ahead it is hard for others to overtake you and both crowns are usually given to the same kingdom as nw follows acres more so than honor follow ww's since you can win a war while beeing down in honor.
    Furthermore I think Carthage should be destroyed and Dryads brought back to the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanon View Post
    I think you need to reconsider the weighting of those categories, Persian. Anyone can spend weeks warring ghettos to get honor and war points. Hell, you can top the honor charts by farming inactives, as we saw last age. GL trying that with the land/nw charts tho.
    i didnt make that chart..palem did. he just hasnt been active enough to make the chart the last few ages. And to be fair like ANY tweak to that formula puts emeriti as #1 and i personally think they've been the best kd in the game for many ages running and not coming in #1 doesnt mean they aren't the best it means something else was at play.
    Last edited by Persain; 04-02-2019 at 13:58.

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    it means the system you used to determine the rankings was flawed and blaming it on palem is not an excuse ( i yelled at him too)

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    "-This ranking is not to be considered a "power chart". It's simply how each kingdom did with respect to all of the charts."

    I think this is the strongest argument against changing the formula here: anything that *does* try to be a power/best kingdom chart is going to be subjective. This is a fairly simple (if time consuming) calculation that provides a nice snapshot of about how well a kingdom did. Judging "best" from it isn't really possible, any more than my "power rankings" each age actually mean "best race" - I always try to be clear I only measure what I can put some sort of facts behind. Similarly, telling how "hard" a chart is requires judgement - saying someone got 80% of the top score on that chart is a fact though.

    I am sad this wasn't created the age my kingdom (Warcraft) was in the T5 for land/NW - I wanted to see if we would break T10 on this combined chart as well. For someone like us, ranking well in this chart is kinda a decent goal in and of itself - we know we won't win any crowns, but being pretty ok at everything is cool. (Plus, we like to war, but not baiting wars so much, so just going war chart isn't really fun either. I consider any age with 5-6 wars and at least one win more fun than any 3 war age, even 3/3.) For those of us in the upper middle, this is a pretty decent measurement of how we did in an age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chadbrochill17 View Post
    it means the system you used to determine the rankings was flawed and blaming it on palem is not an excuse ( i yelled at him too)
    If you are not happy with the factors that decides the ranks why not make your own chart instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Korp View Post
    If you are not happy with the factors that decides the ranks why not make your own chart instead?
    Because the real rankings already exist.

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    The war points system is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Allanon View Post
    I think you need to reconsider the weighting of those categories, Persian. Anyone can spend weeks warring ghettos to get honor and war points. Hell, you can top the honor charts by farming inactives, as we saw last age. GL trying that with the land/nw charts tho.
    Emeriti has no aspirations to chart well in all categories. Their priority is crowning. Are you also upset that Emeriti didn't finish #1 in honor and war wins? The chart is as fair and unbiased as it can be. You're trying to introduce bias so that the outcome matches what you think it should be.

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    I would argue that introducing weightings to the combined charts would be more in line with how the original developers envisioned the games charting system working, as war points and honor were only introduced later to give kingdoms that couldn't manage the huge activity/strategy/diplomacy/planning demands needed to crown in land/nw something to work for. This is reflected in the relative power that being high on the land/nw charts gives the relevant kingdoms vs being high on the honor and ww charts.

    As I said, the honor/ww charts can be potentially won by a kd staying small and warring ghettos the entire age, or as we saw 2 ages ago in the case of the honor charts, even just hitting inactives for honor the entire age whilst staying too small for anyone to hit you to take that honor. One might argue that a larger kingdom could just rk the smaller honor kd, but that fact itself implies a bias in the games mechanics towards land/nw being more important than honor, which ought to be reflected in any combined chart rankings, surely.
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    4:10 is not settlers, no idea who they are, but its not that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chalsdk View Post
    4:10 is not settlers, no idea who they are, but its not that.
    Its Age 80 now and if that was the chart for age 79 .. you do the math.

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