now that munk is intergrated in game what to do? pro tip

[Persain]

i personally dislike munkbot as far as all the "Extra" stuff goes. if litteraly alll it did was add the intel.utopia-game.com page that was a "intell" tab i'd start learning it...i do like the toggle-able irc/bot feature at the top though and thats welcome as long as its toggle-able. But i still have my old bot, and as far as i can tell the "send intell to own site" isnt being removed so i'll stick with my own bot and remove as much of extra stuff with for now. Will have to watch it as it develops.

[khronosschoty]

i personally dislike munkbot as far as all the "Extra" stuff goes. if litteraly alll it did was add the intel.utopia-game.com page that was a "intell" tab i'd start learning it...i do like the toggle-able irc/bot feature at the top though and thats welcome as long as its toggle-able. But i still have my old bot, and as far as i can tell the "send intell to own site" isnt being removed so i'll stick with my own bot and remove as much of extra stuff with for now. Will have to watch it as it develops.

like I said if they want new defaults to be a certain way, fine... but they should provide an in game method to opt out,,,, and if they want to be really pro about it, then opt out of some things and not all things, just as long as you still have the option to just opt out in total.

[Pestilence]

I have no problem with munkbot being integrated to the game, but I do agree that their should be an option to disable it and an option to use your own Intel site if you want. I've played with multiple people who have grown frustrated with the bugs and lack of changes in munk and just made their own gathering and storing tools.

[Ooopsie]

I hoped for something better. Integrating munk is crazy anyway you look at it. It looks like a mess, even after using it many ages i just take my own intel as that's faster than deciphering what old intel is usable. More importantly, it depends on a ****load of javascript while having things integrated should mean anytime intel is taken data is directly written to the database/intelstore, no need for a hacky roundtript server -> browser -> server, which every age is problematic for more than a few players in my kingdom. And why oh why do the devs want the burden to maintain a whole new backend (munk's is pretty distinct from utopia, utopia being python, munk php) when it's clear they can hardly manage utopia.

In the end, this will not help attracting new players though i think nothing will apart from a whole graphical overhaul together with interactions with mobile users expect these days (push messages in some form, preferable a dedicated app that can also be used to play the game, when stuff happens).

[awesom-o]

I will not pay to play without munk
You need to pay Me to play with munk

[.:. The Moon .:.]

Bots just share information. Information can be shared otherwise and stored within peoples brainheadminds ... or Kingdom Forum... there is more than enough time between ticks for 25 Provinces to act coordinationallarily, the game has been designed thusly ... starlight and moonset over a windswept ocean... a barren desert where no humans exist... bots are only a ueful extra, not a necessary item ... Kingdom Forums are more than enough... also PMs...

[khronosschoty]

Bots just share information. Information can be shared otherwise and stored within peoples brainheadminds ... or Kingdom Forum... there is more than enough time between ticks for 25 Provinces to act coordinationallarily, the game has been designed thusly ... starlight and moonset over a windswept ocean... a barren desert where no humans exist... bots are only a ueful extra, not a necessary item ... Kingdom Forums are more than enough... also PMs...

We could play this game over snail mail too; the internet is not technically needed.

[Pillz]

Top kds can win without bots.

Without tools, the playing field is even more uneven because top kds communicate constantly.

[skraz]

Top kds can win without bots.

Without tools, the playing field is even more uneven because top kds communicate constantly.

^this

cant believe im agreeing with pillz

[DM_Benjamin]

Elitism,

Removing intel sites and bots from the game will actually lead to its demise. Most people have lives that chew up their time and intel sites help minimise impacting that. If you remove these aids then a lot of people, especially actual leaders, would not be willing to play.

Here’s the hot tip, if you have to ask the question of Utopia vs Real life, then it’s likely you’ll be cast into the main role for the second instalment of 40 year old virgin.

[luke3]

Elitism,

Removing intel sites and bots from the game will actually lead to its demise. Most people have lives that chew up their time and intel sites help minimise impacting that. If you remove these aids then a lot of people, especially actual leaders, would not be willing to play.

Here’s the hot tip, if you have to ask the question of Utopia vs Real life, then it’s likely you’ll be cast into the main role for the second instalment of 40 year old virgin.

You realize you are arguing something he wasn't suggesting right? He was saying he didn't want to be forced to use munk, lol. He is making the point that bots are necessary or this game sucks. Was a funny read even though you were way off base, lol

[DM_Benjamin]

You realize you are arguing something he wasn't suggesting right? He was saying he didn't want to be forced to use munk, lol. He is making the point that bots are necessary or this game sucks. Was a funny read even though you were way off base, lol

You caught me, to be honest I have heard this argument (intel/bot arguement) so many times by people who reject the unfamiliar over the years that I instinctively stopped reading early and assumed I knew the rest.

I do not own the game but I have played in the same kd as the Devs a fair bit over the years and I can confidently say that intel sites/bots are here to stay. The benefits of kd wide organisation outweighs the occasional whine about them.

[awesom-o]

DM_Benjamin and dev,

Removing intel sites and bots from the game will actually lead to its demise. Most people have lives that chew up their time and intel sites help minimise impacting that. If you remove these aids then a lot of people, especially actual leaders, would not be willing to play.

Here’s the hot tip, if you have to ask the question of Utopia vs Real life, then it’s likely you’ll be cast into the main role for the second instalment of 40 year old virgin.

Truth is opposite from what you are selling, using bots instead of forums for role plAying in a rpg strategy game lead to current state where we have robots and players without any skill to be leaders.

I would even go with this trojan munk and its ugly interface as a new change if sending self intel was not automatic. That ruin the game for me cause it allows stupid people to do stupid things as well as stupid leaders to base my game experience on their programed monotonic gameplay.

Disable automatic self intel sharing and you might considerably boost player base with +1 player instead of loosing another 10 (30) %.

[DM_Benjamin]

Truth is opposite from what you are selling, using bots instead of forums for role plAying in a rpg strategy game lead to current state where we have robots and players without any skill to be leaders.

I would even go with this trojan munk and its ugly interface as a new change if sending self intel was not automatic. That ruin the game for me cause it allows stupid people to do stupid things as well as stupid leaders to base my game experience on their programed monotonic gameplay.

Disable automatic self intel sharing and you might considerably boost player base with +1 player instead of loosing another 10 (30) %.

Let’s agree to disagree.

[Persain]

Truth is opposite from what you are selling, using bots instead of forums for role plAying in a rpg strategy game lead to current state where we have robots and players without any skill to be leaders.

I would even go with this trojan munk and its ugly interface as a new change if sending self intel was not automatic. That ruin the game for me cause it allows stupid people to do stupid things as well as stupid leaders to base my game experience on their programed monotonic gameplay.

Disable automatic self intel sharing and you might considerably boost player base with +1 player instead of loosing another 10 (30) %.

wrong....if bots were 100% banned my kd would not exist. there is no way i could manage to sort and collect and display data in a timely enough manner to run a kd if there were ZERO bots.