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    Human Science

    Am I OK? Keeping with the pack or should I stop and do science pump?

    HU/TAC Attacker
    added 0h accuracy: 100
    alchemy: 30.6% (284k)
    | tools: 22.9% (303k)
    | housing: 14.5% (498k)
    | production: 82.3% (168k)
    bookkeeping: 10.6% (33k)
    | artisan: 6.9% (29k)
    | strategy: 15.9% (300k)
    | siege: 13.4% (290k)
    tactics: 20.7% (395k)
    | valor: 10.3% (45k)
    | heroism: 10.2% (87k)
    | crime: 77.1% (395k)
    channeling: 64.5% (183k)
    | shielding: 3.8% (19k)
    | cunning: 4.4% (11k)
    | invocation: 6.7% (14k)
    TOTAL books: 3,055k (0 unallocated) and 26 scientists
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    | added 0h accuracy: 100
    alchemy: 37.9% (448k)|
    tools: 28.4% (481k)
    | housing: 15.2% (551k)
    | production: 101.3% (261k)
    bookkeeping: 13.1% (52k)
    | artisan: 12.3% (101k)
    | strategy: 21.4% (561k)
    | siege: 14.5% (339k)
    tactics: 23.1% (498k)
    | valor: 10.9% (51k)
    | heroism: 15.8% (223k)
    | crime: 86.9% (507k)
    channeling: 90% (371k)
    | shielding: 4% (21k)
    | cunning: 4.5% (11k)
    | invocation: 6.7% (15k)
    TOTAL books: 4,491k (0 unallocated) and 29 scientists
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    Your Sciences are okay. There is always a fine line to be found between amassing sciences and being able to defend them ... or just feeding others by being Learn attacked... you are doing well. Kudos.
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    added 0h accuracy: 100
    alchemy: 31.2% (297k)| tools: 29.2% (510k)| housing: 14.8% (523k)| production: 90.7% (206k)
    bookkeeping: 24.7% (204k)| artisan: 17% (202k)| strategy: 20.5% (511k)| siege: 12.2% (349k)
    tactics: 23.4% (510k)| valor: 20.7% (201k)| heroism: 20.6% (243k)| crime: 68.4% (306k)
    channeling: 62.8% (173k)| shielding: 8.5% (109k)| cunning: 12.5% (106k)| invocation: 16.2% (99k)
    TOTAL books: 4,548k (0 unallocated) and 29 scientists
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    @Shai I'm guessing you are NOT HU
    What race are you playing this age?
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    Human of course
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    Mmmmm near end of age.... I think humans should have 8000k-10,000k sci by now?
    The basic non-humans that didnt pump are 4000k-5000k ish now.
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    This is likely getting nerfed again next age, can't see why I have been able to reach +47% income for just below 800k books as an elf with scientific insight, got near 6.5 million books in total from 4 ww's and occasionally running labs, I'm not a huge fan of learn attacks in the current science system, so only occasionally used them as retaliations for learns on me.
    Furthermore I think Carthage should be destroyed and Dryads brought back to the game

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madchess View Post
    This is likely getting nerfed again next age, can't see why I have been able to reach +47% income for just below 800k books as an elf with scientific insight, got near 6.5 million books in total from 4 ww's and occasionally running labs, I'm not a huge fan of learn attacks in the current science system, so only occasionally used them as retaliations for learns on me.
    You pumping income to 800k is a decision... and a opportunity cost where you can put it into else where..... I think the current system is alright for ZERO WW kingdoms.

    But the problem is the WW bonus which might need to be toned down.... Maybe bring back the WW bonus decision of: Land, Honor and add in Science. Which a WW of Sci would be how much you get as of this age from a WW.
    Last edited by RedPanda; 18-04-2019 at 22:50.
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    I still expected that the curve would make it impossible to get that high, I do not even think any other categories are particularily bad for me, I considder my tools science with half the books of alchemy to be maxed just fine at +24.5% to BE, everything on top is just because you have the books and might as well use them.

    One of my undead kingdom fellors forgot to allocate over a million books earlier, probably because his science was already decent at that point.
    Furthermore I think Carthage should be destroyed and Dryads brought back to the game

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    I was happy with science this age. I think a nerf to WW science bonus would be good too.

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    Got a total of 9.1mil books right now as an orc warrior. These are the boosts I'm getting

    Alchemy 572,415 +37.1% Income
    Tools 715,003 +29.8% Building Effectiveness
    Housing 646,347 +14.2% Population Limits
    Production 428,712 +111.4% Food & Rune Production
    Bookkeeping 209,721 -21.7% Wage Reduction
    Artisan 210,667 -15.1% Construction Time & -15.1% Construction Cost

    Strategy 631,169 +19.7% Defensive Military Efficiency
    Siege 655,593 +14.3% Battle Gains
    Tactics 2,754,256 +50.0% Offensive Military Efficiency
    Valor 256,401 -20.2% Military Train Time & +20.2% Dragon Slaying Strength
    Heroism 927,130 +27.0% Draft Speed & -27.0% Draft Costs

    Crime 432,507 +70.1% Thievery Effectiveness
    Channeling 55,901 +32.2% Magic Effectiveness
    Shielding 638,085 -17.0% Damage from Enemy Thievery and Magic Instant Operations
    Cunning 6,466 +3.0% Thievery and Magic Instant Operation Damage
    Invocation 57,871 -11.0% Ritual Rune Cost

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    Faery Mystic. 14.3M books. Started a month late.

    Economy - 21 scientists - 0 books available
    Alchemy 1,002,234 +48.4% Income
    Tools 1,344,762 +40.3% Building Effectiveness
    Housing 2,400,873 +26.6% Population Limits
    Production 1,472,045 +200.3% Food & Rune Production
    Bookkeeping 45,684 -10.7% Wage Reduction
    Artisan 19,456 -5.0% Construction Time & -5.0% Construction Cost

    Military - 8 scientists - 0 books available
    Strategy 1,600,900 +30.7% Defensive Military Efficiency
    Siege 845,173 +16.2% Battle Gains
    Tactics 1,600,900 +35.0% Offensive Military Efficiency
    Valor 28,904 -7.3% Military Train Time & +7.3% Dragon Slaying Strength
    Heroism 47,843 +6.7% Draft Speed & -6.7% Draft Costs

    Arcane Arts - 8 scientists - 0 books available
    Crime 1,864,494 +140.4% Thievery Effectiveness
    Channeling 1,864,494 +269.9% Magic Effectiveness
    Shielding 75,477 -6.2% Damage from Enemy Thievery and Magic Instant Operations
    Cunning 24,586 +5.5% Thievery and Magic Instant Operation Damage
    Invocation 16,298 -6.1% Ritual Rune Cost.
    Last edited by Billah; 26-04-2019 at 06:26.
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    Was also happy with the new curves. Much better drop-off compared to last age. Reasonable to pump alot, but still diminishing and alot of NW.

    10.2M books. Only pumped Tactics in the end. Human.

    Economy - 5 scientists - 0 books available
    Alchemy 400,287 +36.0% Income
    Tools 1,393,235 +47.1% Building Effectiveness
    Housing 1,254,162 +22.4% Population Limits
    Production 259,093 +101.0% Food & Rune Production
    Bookkeeping 265,568 -27.9% Wage Reduction
    Artisan 15,839 -5.2% Construction Time & -5.2% Construction Cost

    Military - 32 scientists - 0 books available
    Strategy 1,627,017 +35.5% Defensive Military Efficiency
    Siege 50,345 +4.9% Battle Gains
    Tactics 3,364,019 +57.5% Offensive Military Efficiency
    Valor 24,431 -7.8% Military Train Time & +7.8% Dragon Slaying Strength
    Heroism 41,095 +7.2% Draft Speed & -7.2% Draft Costs

    Arcane Arts - 0 scientists - 0 books available
    Crime 665,251 +98.8% Thievery Effectiveness
    Channeling 426,693 +96.2% Magic Effectiveness
    Shielding 381,344 -15.3% Damage from Enemy Thievery and Magic Instant Operations
    Cunning 10,552 +4.3% Thievery and Magic Instant Operation Damage
    Invocation 5,296 -4.2% Ritual Rune Cost

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    So that's pretty good

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