Who won?

[Korp]

+1 octo

[Madchess]

That could be the case, really impressive people don't need to flash their achievements but can naturally impress. Happy to have meet a number of those people in the warring tier over the ages, sometimes they can go to growth kingdoms and perform quite well there also, even if most don't have such interests, maybe that is why the two tiers disagree to some extend who is the better, I don't know.

Smart people don't blindly follow orders, they can also question them or adapt to the situation if/when a change of plan is in order, and with the right leadership they can shine regardless of the goal. And dfinally there are smart people in both growth and warring tier, there probably are also bad players in both tiers whith nothing but activity to show.

Just a bit annoyed that so many no-good players claim one thing or another and you know they are gooing to ragequit or fail you misserably not even halfway into the age.

[CannaWhoopazz]

It's much harder to go from WW/Honor to Land/NW than vice versa. This is evidenced by the few warring kingdoms that have successfully made the jump.

You probably know the people in Giraffes (or any land/nw crown winners in last 15 ages) and can probably attest yourself that the only skill they really have is logging on when they need to or set sitter when they need to...the rest is pretty much luck anyways (since builds and training plans are typically force-fed...you no need skill to figure out what you need).

[SNIP]

In the grand picture...it may take more skill from the leadership to lead a NW/Land kd to crown but by average among all 25 players it requires the same or less skill to play in those types of KDs instead of war KDs who require more complex participation from each province individually.

This ^^^ is just wrong. A successful warring kingdom also "force-feeds" builds and training plans. Both WW/Honor and Land/NW kingdoms use attackers that can make ops (why waste the stealth and mana on all your attackers?!). In both kingdom types, the "general population" is told exactly what to do in wars and hostiles.

I was once like you and thought whoring was the easy way to play. Both have their challenges, to be sure.

[Madchess]

I think it has more to do with the flow of the game really, if there was no kingdoms gooing from warring to growing the growth tier would be gone a long time ago, if no kingdoms goes from growing to warring the warring tier would still be fine as it is arround 90% of all kingdoms to one extend or another.

If a kingdom goes from warring tier to growth tier that becomes a success story regardless of how they finnish, if a growth kingdoms goes from growth tier to warring tier that kingdom must be doing poorly and clearly should up their game, even if they take ww crown.

Such is the mentality of many Utopian players I believe and that is wrong, the ww and honor charts are simply different goals from nw and acres, and neither tier got any business pointing fingers of the other.

[Korp]

I think it has more to do with the flow of the game really, if there was no kingdoms gooing from warring to growing the growth tier would be gone a long time ago, if no kingdoms goes from growing to warring the warring tier would still be fine as it is arround 90% of all kingdoms to one extend or another.

If a kingdom goes from warring tier to growth tier that becomes a success story regardless of how they finnish, if a growth kingdoms goes from growth tier to warring tier that kingdom must be doing poorly and clearly should up their game, even if they take ww crown.

Such is the mentality of many Utopian players I believe and that is wrong, the ww and honor charts are simply different goals from nw and acres, and neither tier got any business pointing fingers of the other.

How many warring kds, established ones can you mention that went from warring to growth?

And to be historically speaking a success story in the growth tier you would actually have to win.

[mero]

And Korp said there was no drama

[Korp]

And Korp said there was no drama

This is no drama, this is a civilized discussion!

[Madchess]

A couple atleast that I remember, some admittedly went back to warring later and some like Sleepy and wsk is more in a grey zone and could go for either tier.

I'm hopelesly out of touch with which kingdoms are actually still arround in some form these days as most growth kingdoms keeps changing names, a lot of warring kingdoms does the same admittedly.

I probably have seen more than 20 people go from warring to growing tier on their own within the last like 10-15 ages alone.

We got like 5-6 people on discord that was former players in Ghetto Nightmare alone.

My point is without that influx of players the growth tier would have had no people left a long time ago since it is rather demanding and not everyone have the time to commit to it.

Some people also go from warring kingdoms to growth in ghettos which I've tried out myself, this is less time consuming and activity intensive than warring and might make some people think growing in gennerel is easier than warring, but you can't compare growing in a ghetto to playing in the growth tier, as long as you aren't a great target and you don't mess with the growth kingdoms on your own then most of them are happy to let you be as you don't pose a threat to their goals as a standalone player, they are less lenient with competitors I'm sure.

[DonJuan]

LoL please dont turn this conversation about me as it isnt about what you think of me or what you barely remember as it is...your gonna turn this thread into every other dead discussion on this forum

Im not trashing the NW/Land life more so than i am defending the ww/honor life...especially when (ex)tryhards mention that the only accomplishment worth recognition is Land/NW crowns.

Does it sound like I am disregarding their overall effort and skills?

Yes it does because of my recent history playing in both types of KD...the war tactics, the players they accept, the tools they use and even their activity patterns are exactly the same. In fact every 25 player KD looks to be #1 in land/nw from the start of the age...the only real difference between those KDs is the asshole leading it.

So you don't have to speak of top play as if it was ancient algebra...in modern Uto times not even NW/Land crowns are being remembered since there isnt any reason to pay attention.

People have to make a thread like this to be told who won...even though the Land/NW crown was secured weeks in advance.

[octobrev]

So you don't have to speak of top play as if it was ancient algebra...in modern Uto times not even NW/Land crowns are being remembered since there isnt any reason to pay attention.

octobrev remembers. It is his duty to count the crowns, his service to the community.

Also, the tools the present warring kingdoms use are all hand-me-downs from the top kingdoms. If I had any say in it, minkbit would had remained private and you would all be slumming it with upoopu.

[awesom-o]

octobrev remembers. It is his duty to count the crowns, his service to the community.

Also, the tools the present warring kingdoms use are all hand-me-downs from the top kingdoms. If I had any say in it, minkbit would had remained private and you would all be slumming it with upoopu.

You seem like a candidate for The Dwarf Circly, send me a pm so we can asign you with a good dwarf province

[DonJuan]

octobrev remembers. It is his duty to count the crowns, his service to the community.

Also, the tools the present warring kingdoms use are all hand-me-downs from the top kingdoms. If I had any say in it, minkbit would had remained private and you would all be slumming it with upoopu.

While this is true I remember umunk being the outside alternative to abs-preffered Stingernet...

Once it allowed to go mainstream after the Havoc ages..it grew poular and more kingdoms made the switch.

In all reality we can still use stingernet it since its still servicing a few kds and updating more draft and econ commands to match the usefulness of advanced intel presentation

[Madchess]

There is only like 4 reasons why this thread was made in the first place, it has nothing to do about when the crown was secured.

1. someone was not playing.
2. someone was as confused as me as to who is who up in the top.
3. someone wanted to get attention due to beeing in one of the winning kingdoms or because they did better than usual.
4. someone was trolling.

[mero]

Reason is i`m not playing. Still fun to know whats going on in utopia.

[Bananamancer2000]

Overall Kingdom Honor Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Honor
1 ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) 120565
2 Carnage Sg-My Thrashed TBB (5:2) 119662
3 The Blood Brothers (7:13) 92031
4 Confession of Lotus (7:14) 85793
5 F L U F F Y L I C I O U S (6:7) 80705

Overall Kingdom Land Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Land
1 Giraffes (5:13) 224213
2 ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) 172218
3 Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) 161963
4 Summeriti Salutes Mem And Bin (8:3) 128712
5 V I C I O U S (7:9) 121046

Overall Kingdom War-Wins Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name War-Wins
1 ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) 42.75
2 The Blood Brothers (7:13) 31.33
3 Carnage Sg-My Thrashed TBB (5:2) 29.35
4 PAWS (3:3) 23.50
5 Merciless (6:3) 23.44

Overall Kingdom Networth Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Networth
1 Giraffes (5:13) 93957439
2 Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) 58872642
3 ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) 48885934
4 Summeriti Salutes Mem And Bin (8:3) 38497216
5 V I C I O U S (7:9) 35374986

Overall Province Honor Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Kingdom Race Honor
1 Oktoberfaery (7:10) ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) Faery 12878
2 Vogelein Barfly (7:10) ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) Faery 9840
3 5 O Holy Night 20 (5:2) Carnage Sg-My Thrashed TBB (5:2) Faery 9609
4 Inebriated Oberon (7:10) ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) Faery 8451
5 Drunken Fury Faery (7:10) ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) Faery 8229

Overall Province Land Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Kingdom Race Land
1 FeyrCow (5:15) Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) Dwarf 24000
2 LaLaLisa Manoban (5:15) Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) Dwarf 20432
3 LightNing (5:13) Giraffes (5:13) Avian 12330
4 11 Adore Him 14 (5:2) Carnage Sg-My Thrashed TBB (5:2) Human 12066
5 Tipple Pixie Squeaks (7:10) ThePuncher Salutes TFC Crew (7:10) Faery

Overall Province Networth Rankings
(Age 81)
Rank Name Kingdom Race Networth
1 LaLaLisa Manoban (5:15) Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) Dwarf 8634953
2 FeyrCow (5:15) Beastblood flows in our veins (5:15) Dwarf 8589947
3 eragon-ofgortens (5:13) Giraffes (5:13) Human 5311642
4 SnirpsneR (5:13) Giraffes (5:13) Human 4888407
5 LightNing (5:13) Giraffes (5:13)