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    Science Cap

    Please remove the new science cap feature (the 4000science/acre decay), it impairs the skilled players that knows how to pump science. And it has no effect on larger kingdoms which gains large acres and bottom feeds smaller provinces which in turn limits the smaller provinces in science which makes it impossible to block the bottom feeders, also it has no real effect on farmers being by mid to late age your not really going to hit a farmer for science due to the huge NW gap.

    Basically your gutting the entire middle and low NW kingdoms/provinces where they cannot fight back at all, and we might as well just explore all of our acres and paradise.
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    We had a looong argument about the science decay thing in discord and, despite the fact that it's almost universally reviled, it stayed, because it's apparently the only way…
    …that we can rein in some people who found a very specific way to abuse it.

    Other than that, you're absoutely right. But know that that does not matter.

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    The main problem is when you get chained down to what 400 acres or even less... your ****ED, and there is no way to prevent it other than explore hopefully you wont get hit in the process. The same even if you use the kingdom acre average.
    Also for those who knows how to micromanage a province, there is no way to prevent this at all being the players ability to pump science out paces the current arbitrary set limit by mid age (I fall in this category, I was already losing science like 3 weeks ago and that is by self pumping)

    At least make it so you cannot lose the books already invested (by losing books per tick), while the extra books your producing can be lost and any books that is currently not invested will not be able to be invested being you dont have time to "implement" the new science due to the lack of land.
    Which is a much better way than the current method of your lose your invested books but not the uninvested books.

    An better idea is to make it that "Self-invested" books are exempt from this limit... while the learn hits one can lose like the current limit (which is tallied in a separate pool table)
    Last edited by RedPanda; 08-09-2020 at 23:53. Reason: added suggesstion
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    Science doesn't decay during war or EoWCF, so if you get chained down you should be able to grow back to your former size, more or less, or at least to a point where science isn't gonna decay by the time the CF ends. If you manage your province correctly (and get boatloads of aid), then you should be able to keep up your land growth with your science, even when accounting for the occasional chaining.

    Decay would be pointless (more than it already is) if it only affected unallotted books. All it would take to counter it would be decent activity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by North Southland View Post
    Decay would be pointless (more than it already is) if it only affected unallotted books. All it would take to counter it would be decent activity.
    Na you got it reversed.... the unallocated books is currently unaffected by the decay. So it is currently the only method to prevent the loss of books so the inactive guys actually dont lose any books being it isnt invested.

    Quote Originally Posted by North Southland View Post
    Science doesn't decay during war or EoWCF, so if you get chained down you should be able to grow back to your former size, more or less, or at least to a point where science isn't gonna decay by the time the CF ends. If you manage your province correctly (and get boatloads of aid), then you should be able to keep up your land growth with your science, even when accounting for the occasional chaining.
    Except your assuming that you will ALWAYS regrow back to your original size.
    But usually the monarch will decide what size you grow back to, that or your ENTIRE kingdom got really ****ed in the last war and you cant grow to the proper size to match to your books (you will be lucky to get back to your original size type of loss). So unless your in a growth kingdom which dont care about your size, usually your acres is already decided by someone else and not by you.

    I myself without any learn attacks and zero wars can get 6,000k-7,000k books by the end of the age as a T/M. Yes that is constantly do it age to age. I could have gotten about 1.5-2x that amount before the science production changes 2 ages ago. I dont even want to think about how much books I need to balance against with wars added to the mix or learn hits added....

    There needs to be at least a stop of where you cant invest books anymore prevent loss of science or some type of mechanism that or maybe make it that your books above a certain amount is "inactive"
    Pretty much this as a half assed implementation based on the dev perception of how much a player can gain books (I assume is via an ATTACKERs standpoint)
    Last edited by RedPanda; 21-09-2020 at 22:08.
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