Gnome + Chaistity = Age of Multies...why? Read to find out!

[Mansoor]

Yes you have new cheating detection system. But am I allowed to ask an alliance mate for some intel? Of course I am! This is a networking game. So basically I will play from my ip, and then from my company phone which will give you totally different ip:s and networks and so on. I will play my gnome intel multi from my phone or other ip address I may have and take intel with it. You cannot delete me cause for you that person will just be my alliance mate. And also, chastity spell will be abused by multies casting it on all the banks except their own ofc.

Don't you see that these changes only encourage multies...and your new methods to stop cheating is great but the changes encourage everybody to see huge benefits of having an intel province. Gnome totally suck as a race but I can guarantee you that all you'll be doing this age is to delete gnomes cause people want 100% intel, and the only way to do it is with Gnome, but as a race Gnome is horrible.

What do you guys think?

Please note that I would never ever play a multi account, this was just hypothetically.

[Trysil]

Yes you have new cheating detection system. But am I allowed to ask an alliance mate for some intel? Of course I am! This is a networking game. So basically I will play from my ip, and then from my company phone which will give you totally different ip:s and networks and so on. I will play my gnome intel multi from my phone or other ip address I may have and take intel with it. You cannot delete me cause for you that person will just be my alliance mate. And also, chastity spell will be abused by multies casting it on all the banks except their own ofc.

Don't you see that these changes only encourage multies...and your new methods to stop cheating is great but the changes encourage everybody to see huge benefits of having an intel province. Gnome totally suck as a race but I can guarantee you that all you'll be doing this age is to delete gnomes cause people want 100% intel, and the only way to do it is with Gnome, but as a race Gnome is horrible.

What do you guys think?

Please note that I would never ever play a multi account, this was just hypothetically.

Fully agree, I also beat you to it in the changes post :P

Although I do wonder, shouldnt you be happy bout this?

[Thundergore]

Yes you have new cheating detection system.

Indeed we do. Key point. New system for new age.

But am I allowed to ask an alliance mate for some intel? Of course I am! This is a networking game. So basically I will play from my ip, and then from my company phone which will give you totally different ip:s and networks and so on. I will play my gnome intel multi from my phone or other ip address I may have and take intel with it. You cannot delete me cause for you that person will just be my alliance mate.

Yes, pretending to be multiple users when you are in fact a single user (with multiple IPs) is cheating. Correct. It's why the new system has been introduced. Previously it was tough to see this. Now with the new system you've already pointed out - it's easier.

Don't you see that these changes only encourage multies...and your new methods to stop cheating is great but the changes encourage everybody to see huge benefits of having an intel province.

No I don't see that I'm afraid. I can't see how anything encourages cheating more than 'cheating helps you win'.

So is your point as follows - folks will try to illegitimately get the benefit of an intel province. If they're caught (we remain optimistic they will be caught more than previous ages) they'll have to get a legitimate intel province and cooperate and use teamwork.

Folks will try to cheat to get an ingame benefit. If caught (or if cheating isn't their style) they'll use teamwork for the benefit.

Is this your point?

If so I don't see how these new changes encourage cheating any more than previous ages, any more than cheating is deemed 'encouraged' as a means of gaining an edge in any game and all walks of life (to a shady few).

We'd rather address cheating than not introduce new game ideas and possibilities for fear they'll encourage cheating.

[Trysil]

Indeed we do. Key point. New system for new age.



Yes, pretending to be multiple users when you are in fact a single user (with multiple IPs) is cheating. Correct. It's why the new system has been introduced. Previously it was tough to see this. Now with the new system you've already pointed out - it's easier.



No I don't see that I'm afraid. I can't see how anything encourages cheating more than 'cheating helps you win'.

So is your point as follows - folks will try to illegitimately get the benefit of an intel province. If they're caught (we remain optimistic they will be caught more than previous ages) they'll have to get a legitimate intel province and cooperate and use teamwork.

Folks will try to cheat to get an ingame benefit. If caught (or if cheating isn't their style) they'll use teamwork for the benefit.

Is this your point?

If so I don't see how these new changes encourage cheating any more than previous ages, any more than cheating is deemed 'encouraged' as a means of gaining an edge in any game and all walks of life (to a shady few).

We'd rather address cheating than not introduce new game ideas and possibilities for fear they'll encourage cheating.

Some things are more gamebreaking then others.

Fact 1: Gnomes are useless attackers compared to other races.
Fact 2: Gnomes are required to get reliable intel.
Fact 3: Gnomes also have a spell that can halt growth totally for a prov.

This last bit is incredibly hurtful for fast growing/exploring provinces. There needs to be only 1 or 2 cheaters to have an enormous impact on the charts. Even if your system is better, I think yuo can agree it will never be 100% fullproof. Therefor there is a reason very harmful spells are only in unfriendly/hostile/war. Chastity is extremely dangerous.

[WolfysBack]

Perhaps a "SpelCheck" spel would be usefool?

[Sean1]

I don't see how this encourages multis anymore than the previous ages. Every age before this you could have some random supergnome just doing the same thing for you.

I see that the changes give a lot more advantages to the top players a lot more and is an EFF YOU to the new guys and smaller kd's who dont have the organization to quickly gather and share intel

[beeper]

gnome service for sale ... 10 cents / intel ... anybody ?

[tedybear]

Cheat is all around...
the guy is right, any KD that wanna do great things this age and has the possibility use a outside province to get 100% accurate info on the enemy WILL DO IT!!! it happened last ages with Super DEs for CB's or with Super Gnomes for SoMs.
IT WILL HAPPEN AGAIN !!!

the biggest problem is Chastity... cause having a outside gnome that can give u 100% intel and can cast Chastity on your enemy will just make most "cheating" KDs to play A/M and just waste the enemy economy with FB...

also, full Avian KDs will just be everywhere , cause 1 Avian is a lot better that an intel gathering Gnome in the KD.

u guys really did it this time... YOU AND YOUR ULTRA MEGA NEW CHEATER DETECTION SYSTEM, of wich everyone knows that it doesn't exist unless someone will report the cheater... and u can't do anything if the provinces have different IP logins...

i bet, cause of that, and , CAUSE OF THE SUMMER LOSS OF ACTIVITY ( like it happened each summer), in the autumn there will be less than 4000 players in the game. the remaining will be leaving before new year.

[Sean1]

Everyone has the possibility to do it, everyone wants to do great things. Blanket statements are fts

[NoseBlood]

Im sure they will add some premium feature, like 10$/age for 100% accurate intel ;)

[FireBones]

Probably a good idea to make chastity war only.

[pmyraje]

This could be an excellent wy to weed out cheaters. You really think that Gnomes randomly casting Chastity on provs or getting intelligence for another province will just go under the radar? It sounds to me like a good net for the type of talentless cretins who like to cheat to walk right into and advertise themselves nice and clearly as cheaters.

"u can't do anything if the provinces have different IP logins..."

lol, are you really trying to be serious? A cheater is a cheater and the type of blatant cheating proposed in this thread will be like a great red hotspot over the cheaters, irrespective of IPs

[Luc]

This could be an excellent wy to weed out cheaters. You really think that Gnomes randomly casting Chastity on provs or getting intelligence for another province will just go under the radar? It sounds to me like a good net for the type of talentless cretins who like to cheat to walk right into and advertise themselves nice and clearly as cheaters.

"u can't do anything if the provinces have different IP logins..."

lol, are you really trying to be serious? A cheater is a cheater and the type of blatant cheating proposed in this thread will be like a great red hotspot over the cheaters, irrespective of IPs

It's not against the rules to employ a friend as your intel farm/chastity caster. How will you tell if it's a multi or two friends helping each other out?

That spell is just plain dumb to have at all, especially if it's accessible without relations. Also, I don't see the point in randomizing cb's or making them thief ops either. Doesn't make the game any more interesting and doesn't solve any issues, just change for the sake of change.

[pmyraje]

I'm not saying I agree with the changes - I don't either. I'm just disagreeing with the usual argument people come out with at this kind of time that x and y will encourage cheating, as if the kind of people who would choose to cheat need any kind of incentive.

I'd have no objection though to making it against the rules for friends to get intel for you. It is supposed to be a kingdom game after all so as far as the game goes you have upto 24 "friends" and that is it.

[Kees]

And then your KD gets invited to an alliance and you got 10 KD's of 25 friends making 249 other provinces your intell buddies.