High homes = bad

[sandwich]

Ordray, how is your KD activity. I see you have 24 provinces, if they are all active, maybe our KD's could war some time this age. I am not part of leadership in my KD, so this is just speculation, but we generally war anyone who is a similar size to us.

[gojete]

its obvious that his activity sucks since im still alive and even bigger than when he started chaining me, they did try though, tons of attacks , even try to starve and all they could,
So after this mini war gojete vs ordray kd = gojete won
After 36 hours and several quad tapping from ordrays kd, i began at 415 acres now im at 607 . If they had been doing a good job id be at 200 and thus , since ordray cant even order his whole kd to attack me and kill me, hes a deficient monarch , and his ppl dont follow him. After 36 hours of war against ordrays kd, since im bigger than before. Id say he should call it off and accept his loss.
He had his chance ,1 whole kd of 24 players vs a single province and he clearly fail.
I think if he keeps hitting me after all this time, id call it harrasement and want to report it as a hate attack and i think this kind of behavior should not be tolerated in a game like utopia
You had your chance ordray move on .
I also want to report palem if he tries to pk me just because he doesnt like my strat . This is clearly personal harrasement .And again i dont think this kind of things have a place in utopia.

I also want to point out that ordrays kd did more than 50 ops in the whole kd i was in, and that the kd got hit all of the sudden from kds that are twice it size and even kingdoms that were at war with someone else , hit into our kd and opped our provinces.

One thing is to try to pk me and another thing is for several kds to gangbang in one kingdom because a player doesnt share their views in the forums.

I think its really cheap that just because you hate me you go and attack and op the kd i am in. This is really a hate move and in real life its called a hate crime.

All this little group of friends, go around bullying up a smaller kd just because they hate my views of the game.

So you get all your friends to hit my kd just because you hate me, see how cheap you are.


On other news spammely got chained down to 300 acres , spammely if you are aroudn 35 gc right now and unable to regrow, you might as well start plundering out of war and paying the dragons . Run a little bank, you can make between 800k and 3 million gc everyday, i think that helps your kd more .

Anyway is nice to see how mods act cheap and abuse their powers , checking on my province and what i do and not do , bishop how do you get the time to go harrass me when you have so much to do?

Just because you dont like the way I play it doesnt give you the right to harrass me everyday , one thing is to get bullied by other fellow players, but another completely is being bullied and harrassed by moderators. This whole threads point was to provoque me and try to make me leave the game.

Youre very malicious and with bad will , cheap persons like you palem, bishop should be removed from your charge.

High homes work, just because you dont like the strat it doesnt mean it doesnt work, and just because you dont like that more people are playing with high homes , and you dont like it, whats it to you if more ppl want to have fun trying high homes ?

You just dont like it that ppl dont think like you, dont want to play like you and dont want to play WITH you .

Trying to get me off the game is really cheap, i think the game is for everyone who wants to play it, whether you think i give good or bad advise is beyond what your understanding capabilities could judge. Since its a strat that works against most ppl in the ghetto, its clear that it works in the ghetto.
And if people want to stay and play in the ghetto thats up to them ; bishop and palem , are you going to force everyone to play how you think is right ?
This forums are to discuss strategy between utopia players. By abusing your powers to check on my province and provoque me to get me banned shows that you shouldnt be modding this forums , you are low .

[Al3x]

We are not trying to get you to stop playing the game gojete just stop posting crap on this forum.

[gojete]

you dont own the forums, they are owned by jolt, and if the owner of jolt comes in and reads how you try to make single player stop posting and quit the game, just because he plays different , im pretty sure he would agree that steps are needed to stop this kind of behavior in the forums and in the game. A lot of bad apples have been sorted out of the bunch in this past few days .

I dont mind being flamed, i think its part of a strategy game, the tough talk and all that,heated discussions in a war forum are a must and all your critique against my builds and so on , shows weak spots that might get fixed .

you see flaws where i probably wouldnt see any by myself. So im not against players flamming me, im just saying that mods shouldnt be a part of it and abuse their powers .

And others shouldnt rally up their friends to hit a kd where i am at just because they dont like my views and strats and how i play. Again what triggered all this is improper human behaviour, us mainly that more players are using high homes, and as i have been reading messages, people have been playing with high homes before i ever tried it the first time ,and many people have found them succesful in the ghetto way before me .

They just dont post it in the forums because they dont want to be flamed.

You are keeping other players from sharing their experiences with suppression and the use of force by fear.

What you call crap is a biased and personal point of view . The strat has been tested in and out of war, and it works . And as im learning from other players, its not just me that has found them useful.

Anyway when i tell you that your type of behaviour and actions are what make the world a mess is because its true, look how some act. What some of you are doing here, is what many ppl do in the real world, only with guns and physical force instead of virtual insanity , you are a reflection of how bad things are .

You should go read a little to see the similarities of what is going on here and what goes on in the real world.Its the same attitude and energy you are using here t, that ppl use in the real world to justify mass murders , wars ,injustice and all kind of deplorable actions that happen in the world everyday

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_eugenics

[Sweetiepie]

Gojete, welcome back. Cool down a little, man. Ignore other posters if you don't like what they say.
Ordray is upset because you posted his SOT. God alone knows why, i presume you didn't keep his location, it's not like it's secret squirrel and nobody else could get a SOT on him.
I agree, bringing his friends in on it isn't necessary if he's such a good player as he claims. Unfortunately what tends to happen is that people boast about what they're doing and then everyone and their friends join in on you and your kingdom, looking on it as a laugh. It is a circlejerk, yes, and it is a kind of bullying, and it's a really bad attitude to have in society, but it isn't against the rules of this game.
Maybe you should apologise to him for posting his SOT? i don't expect you meant to upset him.

[Al3x]

1. if you ask bishop he will tell you there is no freedom of speak with this game and the forums. Rules are in place and if you break these rules they will be enforced (see point 2)

2. If you post someones information on a public board. Something that is against the forum rules expect there to be consequences. You were told not to post information and you posted it again. Hense the ban and razes as a retaliation from orday and his kingdom for doing so

3. Mulitiple people have stated why high homes/high draft are not good stratagies.

If you want to continue this personal cursade of yours I think you should highlight the point that you stay as small as you can and plunder inactives. In war you just plunder targets OOW.

[Al3x]

Sweetiepie it is against the rules to post locations and province information on public boards. That is why he got a ban

Edit:
Just because people may know his location it does not mean he can break the rules and post it. Pms are for locations not the main forums. If I posted your information here it may lead to extra attacks on you do you think that is acceptable.

[Ordray]

I'm tempted to break apart his posts and go point by point, but that would take entirely too long of a post to do and I'd end up with a huge wall of text that no one would read.
Anyhow, I like how I who, to my knowledge, have made no personal attacks on your character am now being called a fascist, Nazi, racist, mass murdering, elitist. I haven't attacked your character, even though I've been tempted to recently, and all that I have done is to try to show you why the strategy that you are pushing is a bad one! If you remember kind sir, I have given you several pieces of advice since you started posting here in these forums. One such piece you so kindly posted in another thread just recently and conveniently forgot that it was I who gave it to you.
Here's a brief quote from a PM that you sent to me thanking me for my help:

I did the guardstations thing eme dragon it worked great thanks for the tips

For one so ardent about those who flame them, you sure are quick to start lobbing out the Molotov cocktails yourself. Hypocrite. There, if you want to consider that as a flame, then do so and we can count it as 1 vs however many you just posted above here.

As for my KD's "orders" to attack you (or the actual lack there of,) I never ordered any of it. I posted in our KD forum what you did and what I planned to do. Some said, "Heck yeah, we'll join you in it." Others didn't. I don't order people to help me in a personal vendetta; everything that they did was voluntary. Now, regarding ops done on your former KD, they were perpetrated without my knowledge, and I've since apologized to the monarch over there, and actually we seem to have something of a friendship building there. I never called in any help. I didn't post in here asking for help; I didn't PM anyone either in game or via the forums asking for hits on your KD; I never emailed or used any form of communication to even ask for others in other KDs to do anything let alone attack provinces that I had no interest in attacking.

And as I have said from the beginning, this has nothing to do with your views, strategies, or even personality even though I'm not a fan of them. It is in response to an action which you performed in the forums. I will continue with this until I'm ordered to do otherwise. I don't consider this harassment. You took action against me, and I'm retaliating. Harassment would be if you did nothing and I was just constantly hitting you just for the giggles. I'm not. I don't care if you quit the game or not or quit posting in the forums or not. That's not my goal and never will be.

I find it strikingly ironic to be called some of the things that you have. I'm one of the most ardent supports of the freedom of speech, yet I'm attacked as being opposite. I'm vehemently opposed to racism in any form, yet I'm labeled a Nazi. I have always fought for equality, yet I'm accused of nonexistent hate crimes. I constantly adapt my build and strategy to incorporate ideas and advice that will make my province better, yet I'm close minded.

@ Sweetiepie, I think that Al3x has my response handled quite nicely. If you know my province name and location (which if you do if you read my posts and see my sig) then the intel doesn't even have to have my province name/loc in it; it just has to be attributed to my province. Now, if someone were to post it up and leave it, then some opportunist could see that we are of similar sizes and hit me even though the chances are that he'd not have even seen my province otherwise thus causing undue hardship for me.

[E_Boko]

lol yea its not like orday is hiding his kingdom with his "theme". just found it by randoming. now its time to find gojete. mwhahahaha.

[gojete]

Swetiepie im calm man, having a beer and chilling in a rainy day here, i couldnt go to the beach but i do enjoy watching the rain, i live in a 3rd floor and from my balcony the view is great , tons of trees and others.

Ordray , you can keep hitting me all age if you want,although it is harrasement , even if its not under your eyes , It is, whatever you think about it or not , Anyway with your amazing damages , its like a little mosquito biting me, so keep biting me, its annoying but not at all that much damage ,
The worst thing right now is that you stopped my wizard pump, and that im fat , i gained too many acres out of fighting the haters . But from my high towers i see your armies come and go, burning their torches and destroying only but a fraction of my lands, The damage you are inflicting into my amazing province, is less than the one your own province is suffering from this conflict.
My armies are strong and able, and are not afraid, we will fight the haters as we are doing now. And the defenses are up and the province is in good health .

You apologized to the monarch only because I left the kd, which i had to defect form, because i dont want to see them being hurt by my haters.

My way of ruling my province and the way I have rule kingdoms , is making the people who dont agree or like me or my ways, try to kill me and try to make me go into exile , again because they cant stand it that more and more players are using high homes and benefiting from my strategies .

The kd i defected from, all of the sudden got hit by several kindoms, not only ordrays, This is clear sign that there is a group of people of haters , that go around mocking and bullying other players, and there is no one to stand against them.

I dont believe that the mods, which also belong to the hater alliance, or out of game policies should prevent this from happening. Not by penalizing it, not by preventing it with threats , and not by punishing them, but by them themselves , coming to the realization of what they are actually doing.

But then again, people who are extremely overweight just cant stop eating even when they know its bad, and alcoholics cant stop drinking even when they get to see that its killing them and everyone around them. And it pains them and it suffers them but they cant stop their behaviour.

This might be treated as a sickness instead . What is the treatment that the haters must go through to help themselves and thus stop hurting others ?
I rather see that the haters realize how much they hate and how much evil they do onto the world with their actions, thus putting an end to this kind of behavior .
If there was enough good ppl in the world , to stop them, the only way would be by razing the hater alliance provinces and kingdoms, thus also contributing to the war and in the end the non haters would end up being the new haters .


The hater alliance is doing an embargo on my province, attacking anyone who might try to help me in any way or is related with me in any way, by in game attacks and ops, and flames and attacks in the forums.
-The hater alliance want to control monopoly of the game , because it makes them feel superior, and feeds their egos .
-The hater alliance want to control and have control the forums for far too long . And anyone opposing their authority is to be destroyed . This is all that is happening here .
-The hater alliance can not and will not accept any kind of thoughts and game styles made public in the forums , which goes against the hater alliance beliefs and values, for it is a threat to their beliefs and ways of viewing the world
-The hater alliance , is therefore , a group of people who thrive in the lack of fair play, proper moral values, and overall are bullies .
-The hater alliance members, belief themselves, that they are open minded, fair and square good people, that are open to new ideas and want nothing but the best for everyone.
-The hater alliance members clearly live in self deception and believe that all they do is good, "the means of doing it might not be so morally proper, but the ends is what matters and the end is good" this is the haters alliance way of doing things.
-The hater alliance strongly believes that they are right, and thus , they must fight for righteousness . But its clear that they are more self-righteous than the other.
-The hater alliance live in blind belief that their ideas , thoughts and actions are good and right. And their blind belief has blocked their heads from seeing how wrong they are.
-The hater alliance can and will never accept that they are wrong , publicly , they carry the banner of forgiveness and understanding, but inside themselves, they carry the banner of hatred and destruction!

Ordray
If I didnt have all this kds hitting one me , even with you hitting me everyday as you are doing now, if it was only you, i can easily grow your size and bring you down with ease, even with you hitting me everyday as you are doing now, you couldnt stop me from growing and taking your land and in the end razing you probably to death .
This is how good I rule my province . Your skills are inferior to mines, that is just how it is. You better call on more allies and give my location to everyone in this forums cause otherwise ill never die.

And if I grew to your size and started trad marching you and razing you to death, you would call on help from your kd and allies from the evil alliance to destroy me, for you clearly can not accept defeat, after i single handedly defeated your kd, whose purpose was to destroy me, after almost 48 hours of war,

My province stands alive, well , prospering , growing and my building efficency is high, and my population is happy and proud and they have a clear sense of justice and the more you try to attack them the stronger my province will become . For all the land that your kingdom has taken from my province, I can easily regain from you alone. And you can not play a fair 1v1, and you know you would lose, miserably, and your ego, is in pain, for you know now, that you are inferior to my forces and that we could easily destroy you, in a fair fight . And thus , you fight cheap.

On a side note, we had a province of 600 acres hitting on us last age over and over , and we sent mesasges and told him to stop, and when he didnt stop, i made the order to pk him and he was dead under 20 hours . Even at ordering to pk a province im better monarch than you are.

When did I ever call you nazi . Ordray, this is not an insult, and as you say , going through the whole post would hurt your eyes , your mind and shake your beliefs and views about yourself.

Just like I told you in a previous post , You are assuming that im talking things about you that im not, and i did mention the guardstations dragon saying it was someone else who recommended it to me . And as for your tips, i was even going to try the dwarf sage spread sheet that you gave the monarch myself late in the age.
BUt if you believe you are for freedom of speech, and liberties and values , you must see by yourself that you are driven by hatred and live in self denial. For as you may try to make your posting very elocuent, your lack of understanding skills, your unwillingness to read a whole post, and thus, your creation of assumptions and conclusions out of your own well cemented beliefs and ideas, prevents you from any type of real clarity in thought, and thus act by pure emotional and fanatical fervor , and this acts cause nothing but self damage .

Alex you areassuming that i stay at 400 acres and only plunder . It is not the fact that you are wrongly assuming this things that is worrysome , but that you are using your wrongful assumptions with bad purposes and ill manner .



And note that im bigger than before after the chains from the haters and that i received no aid other than 50k bushels . All soldiers and money i needed to not get killed by your kd and others who are razing me ATM i made all by myself. I single-handedly am taking on all the haters which include but are not limited to :

Miniopia 7From assassins kd attacked and oped

Many provinces from Rebuilding Our Legacy

Zombie Canarie ,from kingdom Zombie Zoo

One Mission s from assasins kd , oped

Dorpat , from kingdom babies at war,( who hits out of war into me ) for 1 acre lol
pink watermelon from kingdom garden of war ops riots

Unknown province from kd Winterfell, attacked

Legacy of Khorinis , from kingdom dungeons and dragons ?

Dancing Wrench of Bane from kingdom DnD recruiting

SaNines Shed at kingdom Unknown Home at WARRR
(in war relations )


February 20 of YR2 BOL Ordray ) razed 25 acres of Quad tap you 4 X a day ().
February 20 of YR2 BOL Ordray () razed 21 acres of Quad tap you 4 X a day ().
February 20 of YR2 BOL Ordray ( razed 18 acres of Quad tap you 4 X a day ().
February 20 of YR2 BOL Ordray () razed 15 acres of Quad tap you 4 X a day ().

All the haters are doing ridicule damages on my province :

February 17 of YR2 Dorpat () invaded Quad tap you 4 X a day () and captured 1 acre of land.

I have received well over 40 attacks with armies, plus inumerable ops, in constant greed, riots ,droughts, plague and so on . And again, im single-handedly surviving against the haters.

This is a victory for goodness and all that is right .

And after seeing all this survival, the haters may rally up even stronger forces and allies and the hater alliance will proably grow, and if that is the case , i will not survive the day.
Other than that, if its the same number of haters hitting one me, ill live forever , and thrive and prosper and grow.

By any case, if I do die, let it be know that i died because the haters killed me, out of hate.

[TommyB]

epic :)

[gergnub]

LOL. Funny stuff. Im enjoying gojete's martyrdom act.

[sandwich]

Goteje, that is my favorite post by you so far! Keep on fighting.

[Kayani]

Pshaw.

Everyone knows 100% Stables is where its at.

[Kayani]

Nothin' like unlimited horses to supplement my 100% soldier army.