rules on fake wars

[DHaran]

where you are hitting outside of them are better with the smaller gains. You have some built-in protection against randoms, you get some elite conversion, and you get a few acres.

Less gains, less elite conversion, and less acres than other UDs. Yea really sounds like a massive advantage, lol.

[Bishop]

How do undeads have an advantage here over every other race in the game who can hit out of war and actually train elites.

[DHaran]

They don't, it's just some pointless fascination with UDs hitting out of fake wars, people don't seem to get that though.

[Che Guevara]

Less gains, less elite conversion, and less acres than other UDs. Yea really sounds like a massive advantage, lol.

Ummm, aren't you forgetting the -75% losses from randoms, PLUS the non-quantifiable bonus of having the majority of people ignore you as a target altogether, because you are in war? You can run much lower defense (Barely any at all) and make 2-4 hits at a time, and you aren't going to be hit much in return. And when you do, it's -75% as much as you'd lose else-wise.

[Che Guevara]

How do undeads have an advantage here over every other race in the game who can hit out of war and actually train elites.

They don't, it's just some pointless fascination with UDs hitting out of fake wars, people don't seem to get that though.

Well, granted, it's not only UD, however, UD and Orc are the only ones who can train elites by attacking OOW, and I don't know how much an Orc/Tact or Orc/Cleric would be able to do OOW. The thing about UD is they have zero offensive losses, so anything they train is a plus. With Orcs and any other race, you have elite losses when you attack, so if you don't get enough credits you don't break even. The point is, attacking out of a FW is an abuse, if FWing in against the rules. I don't care whether it's UDs or Faes, or even if they are actually gaining anything by it.

However, I can say that UDs DO gain a lot by it. Our UDs spend EoW CF's attacking people, getting fairly decent elite conversion. It works. Doing the same thing in a FW should be considered abusing the system, since FW apparently are against the rules.

[DHaran]

You are still applying an advantage EVERYONE has to only UD, a simple point you seem to be unable to grasp. A Halfling has a much better ability to pump from inside a FW than an UD, but I don't see you crying about that. Losses are irrelevant, training with gc is far easier than converting.

And again, everyone already knows FWing is an abuse of the system, continuing to say that is useless. But UD gets no additional benefits from it.

[Che Guevara]

You are still applying an advantage EVERYONE has to only UD, a simple point you seem to be unable to grasp. A Halfling has a much better ability to pump from inside a FW than an UD, but I don't see you crying about that. Losses are irrelevant, training with gc is far easier than converting.

And again, everyone already knows FWing is an abuse of the system, continuing to say that is useless. But UD gets no additional benefits from it.

Yes, in terms of pumping, anyone can do it, better than UDs. The abuse I am talking about is attacking out of it. Which is where UDs get the bonus. That is why you see kingdom's like Dark Azn's sitting in a FW with UDs hitting out of it. Because they get the most benefit. Not all FWs are for the same purpose.

[Bishop]

What bonus do they get that every other race doesn't get? Lower conversions is a bad thing, not a good thing.

[Che Guevara]

What bonus do they get that every other race doesn't get? Lower conversions is a bad thing, not a good thing.

Zero losses is a good thing, not a bad thing.

[TheRock]

What bonus do they get that every other race doesn't get? Lower conversions is a bad thing, not a good thing.

It's the no losses. Most races hitting out of war see full losses on troops but lower troop acre gains, so it's not worth it - the few acres you get doesn't cover the many troops you lose. Undeads have no losses, so they can keep hitting forever because they don't lose anything so the decreased acres:losses ratio doesn't affect them much.

[Bishop]

Completely balanced by the fact that you cant train elites. Do you want to ban clerics from hitting out of war for every 1 hour out of 2 maybe? What about halflings, their elites are really cheap.

Also, what if an undead has a legit reason for hitting oow - you'd then punish him more than any other race.

[DHaran]

Zero losses is a good thing, not a bad thing.

They have that all the time. Has nothing to do with FW.

[Syntico]

Meh, what's wrong with Undead apart from the fact that they stink?

Avian flap flap!

[fuzzy|]

.....Also, what if an undead has a legit reason for hitting oow - you'd then punish him more than any other race.

so other races end up with huge loses due to war protection while undeads dont.

if they are OOW and hitting then fine but why should they get any bonus for being cowards when running to FW.

[kisame35]

Kds that enter FW should have their honor reduced to 0.
You specified FW is cheating, and cheating is 'dishonorable' so its fair to drop it heaps