rules on fake wars

**fuzzy|** · 07-10-2011, 14:13

only race to lose 1 of their main features when entering war is faery losing all magic ops. i don't see humans loosing income and i don't see dwarves loosing BE % boost and undeads don't lose their no off loses so why should faeries loose their access to all magic?

**Bishop** · 07-10-2011, 16:32

Originally Posted by fuzzy|

so other races end up with huge loses due to war protection while undeads dont.

if they are OOW and hitting then fine but why should they get any bonus for being cowards when running to FW.

undeads get crap converts - thats the nerf. Killing their elites is a double nerf.

**fuzzy|** · 07-10-2011, 19:46

so undeads dont lose opa while the other races do and have to train up making it less attractive to do crap like running to FW and hitting.

**John Snowstorm** · 07-10-2011, 20:15

Im ok with UD 0 off losses bonus beign removed on hitting into/out of war. It seems harmonious with what the system is supposed to do anyways, the gains and effectiveness nerfs in and out of war are supposed to make it an unattractive prospect to hit in and out of war. Not impossible, just unattractive, unfortunately there are far too many incentives to hit from war status right now, especially as undead.

**DDodge** · 08-10-2011, 07:42

Originally Posted by Bishop

undeads get crap converts - thats the nerf. Killing their elites is a double nerf.

"undeads get crap converts"

wtf? they get some converts... if someone retals them (not undead) they lose a ****load of offense. I've been trolling this thread for a while now bishop and i <3 you but you really need to bite the bullet on this one.

you are arguing that getting crap converts is a nerf as if they are some top 15 KD that is gunning for the land crown and needs to grow as fast as possible. YES in that scenario UD's arent very useful in a FW, but people are discussing ABUSE from undeads hitting out of fake wars and not losing any troops, and if a people retal their hit they get RAPED in losses.

like i said, ive been trolling this thread for a while, and its getting ****ing retarded, because YOU GUYS ARENT ARGUING THE SAME POINT.

bishop, you are denying the fact that a majority UD kd can run into a FW and hit out of it (abuse, because no other race can hit into it without suffering losses that far outweigh the economic gain of hitting into hit)

Your excuse for denying it is that its an overall nerf to UD because it slows their growing process and nerfs their UD conversion, which is negative for a KD going for crowns. (This is true)

But wtf?? LETS LAY IT OUT ON A NICE DISPLAY:

Fake war is occuring:
province A: (UD) hits province B outside of their fake war, loses nothing, gains some elites.

province B:(non-UD) hits into the fake war, loses a TON of troops, and the economic losses SEVERLY outweigh any gain he made from that attack.

Take a look at that bishop. Here's the thing, i don't think UD's need a nerf, or this rule needs to be changed... AT ALL.

BUT YOU ARE ****ING ARGUING AGAINST IT LIKE IT ISNT HAPPENING.

Your answer SHOULD be... "undeads are not a very good race, and the mechanics behind allowing them to hit out of a fake war are PERFECTLY BALANCED and do not need to be altered"

instead you are trying to ignore (the part i put in bold) and its just getting retarded. I had to finally post because i'm of the same opinion you are but you cant prove anything without first showing that you can understand basic mechanics behind an undead hitting out of a FW and a non-UD hitting into it!

**Elit** · 08-10-2011, 08:03

Sure undead bring problem and its not only for FWr. They can hit in real war for free acres and elites too. Same time if we make them to loss in attack like all other races this can be abused because undead cant buy elites. Maybe decent solution is +25% attack time for undeads hitting in war/oow.

**DDodge** · 08-10-2011, 08:32

im not even saying there should be a change. im just saying the way both sides are approaching this argument is retarded.

**Palem** · 08-10-2011, 18:34

Originally Posted by DDodge

]they get some converts...

No, they don't.

**Judge** · 08-10-2011, 19:24

Well you need to realize one thing here... Undead can get elites only by hitting unlike other races... If they make undead buy elites then again there will be crapload of S*** for it...

**fuzzy|** · 08-10-2011, 19:49

Originally Posted by Palem

No, they don't.

but they keep their say 130opa while others need to use gc to retrain theirs

**Judge** · 09-10-2011, 09:01

They keep their 130 OPA? An ORC has anytime a better OPA than an undead... and sumtimes a heavily pumped human can have a better offence than an undead... An undead has to run a sepc/elite army whereas any other races can run full elite army... Only exception is a chained undead who survivies only on his elites..... But Its pissing off when u cant see the disadvantages the undead race has compared to one of their advantage of not dying offence units!! First learn to differentiate and then only learn to troll!!!!!

**fuzzy|** · 09-10-2011, 10:07

Originally Posted by Judge

They keep their 130 OPA? An ORC has anytime a better OPA than an undead... and sumtimes a heavily pumped human can have a better offence than an undead... An undead has to run a sepc/elite army whereas any other races can run full elite army... Only exception is a chained undead who survivies only on his elites..... But Its pissing off when u cant see the disadvantages the undead race has compared to one of their advantage of not dying offence units!! First learn to differentiate and then only learn to troll!!!!!

OOOO do you feel smarter due to using 5 syllable words? when you realize you ain't as smart as you think you are you can then comment on my trolling powers.

**Judge** · 09-10-2011, 10:29

Well u might be good at trolling but out here you definitely are not speaking sense...

**Sweetiepie** · 09-10-2011, 11:40

Originally Posted by Bishop

1: You're in a for a nasty surprise if you think my statments are just idle chat. FW is against the games rules.
2: Time to learn your uto history. There is a moratorium on actioning fw, just like there was with accounts traded several years back.

Roisin also said it wouldn't be actioned and this statement will be honored until the current devs decide to action fw - ideally the reason for fw should be eliminated first, but it wouldn't take much to stop it. None of this (support stuff) is currently scalable though.

Your statements ARE idle chat Bishop. NOBODY is in for a nasty surprise as nothing is being done about it.

No action = not against the rules in any thing other than semantics. IF any policy was ever developed, FW would probably go the way of account trading - perfectly legal.

Just to clarify, I hate FW, it's lamest of the lame.

**baka** · 10-10-2011, 07:22

I hate fake wars too... It kills my kingdom's level of activity and it's a complete waste of time - but it's necessary when I need to protect the acres I've gained from someone who is already pumped and intending to vulture.

4 ages back when BiO was all about getting the war win and went 7/7, we had a rule of never running to a FW. Obviously we got vultured to day's end almost after every war we came out of. We were dishing out Ceasefires like it was a X'mas charity giveaway. So to each their own... FW has its uses and no one's right or wrong in using it. If the game had a rule against it they would act upon it and kick every kd that is in a FW out of one regardless of someone reporting the issue or not. But they don't so kds that need it continue to do it.

As for UD's hitting in to and out of fake wars. As long as they're army in/out, it's a nice and easy way to gain some leets at absolutely no additional cost. I did that all the time when I was UD during the last age of Genesis.

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