Simians Vs Sanctuary

[DHaran]

Less typing more clicking IMO :P

[jdorje]

Each 8h 1-2 orcs dies.

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

[flogger]

it's unfortunate for Simians that they no longer maintain army-in/army-out waves. I would assume the avians have the same rax at the start of the war, but through growth and BE the times have drifted apart?

I don't blame them for trying to get them back inline, but like you said jdorje, i'm not sure it's worth keeping troops at home waiting for time to attack! perhaps after the attack times fall out of sync it's time to start switching to mini-chains, and eventually max gains? The whole point of avian is their lightning attack times and keeping their armies at home to line waves back up is taking away from one of Avian's biggest advantages!

Hitting out of wave formation costs you alot of good opportunities that present itself in war. Like what if sanc has a guy who has armies out for long enough that the avians can return twice in that time, or if a sanc player bounces.

Perhaps Avian's inherent attack time advantage allows it a period to turtle to regroup that orcs would love to have but cannot since they already attack slow enough.

You can't win maxgain wars with provinces with +25% gains compared to your -10%. You have to use your speed to disable and fully chain provinces whilst topfeeding.

[CJay]

C'mon, post some summaries or news so we can all see.

[flogger]

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[Smitty87]

C'mon, post some summaries or news so we can all see.

+1

[flogger]

You keep using that word. I don't think it means what you think it means.

Alternative Simians plan:

For Sanc's guys who have no defense, I presume they're just 4x'ing back and have 500a incoming at all times. Instead of hitting them with spare armies for 10-15a hits, hit them with 15 massacres with spare armies. They are likely already low on thieves, but this will put them down to like .1 TPA.

Since he probably has something like 10-15k total and all sent out evenly in 4 armies, it only takes about 500-700 thieves per op to get max kills per nightstrike. This is a good use of your avians stealth because you're sending so few thieves per op (and barely failing) that you don't hurt your TPA that way. I presume even with Nightmare, your avians are failing a decent amount of nightstrikes and losing thieves nightstriking chain targets, if they're nightstriking at all.

This is probably the fastest way to kill sancs chained provinces with little defense. Do this and they'll be 50k NW in no time.

This has the added benefit of killing all their wizards and buildings, which likely make up a good percentage of their remaining networth. It will bring their orcs networth down to the point where they can no longer hit your 250k NW+ provinces, which is what your goal should be when you're chaining, and also what I imagine dorje is alluding to when he's suggesting you're not making his orcs "die" As I imagine the provinces you are chaining down are now the ones that are hitting you for the most land now that they've been dropped right into your networth range.

This will make his orcs die, and also will get you to your 1MM networth advantage where dorje says he'll w/d the fastest.

Once this is done, you can aid some dspecs to your smaller guys, and they can grow and farm back up, leaving sanc's 50k NW guys dead in the water.

[jdorje]

"die."

die
1    [dahy] Show IPA
verb (used without object), died, dy?ing.
1.
to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital functions; become dead.

[flogger]

die
1    [dahy] Show IPA
verb (used without object), died, dy?ing.
1.
to cease to live; undergo the complete and permanent cessation of all vital functions; become dead.

I see you creatively left out

e.g. 50k networth provinces in utopia.

[jdorje]

dorje excuse moi but ur full of crap.

Why do you and calle always talk as if you're trying to convince me that you're winning? I like you guys and all, but this inferiority complex is really annoying. The only reason I post here is to encourage interesting strategy discussion. I don't do it to encourage flogger to give you advice (hey flogger - why don't you give us advice instead? we're losing, remember?), or to convince you of anything. Having you respond to my objective analysis with a flare of teenage angst-ridden backlash only convinces me that no worthwhile time can be spent on these boards. Grow up, and let me know when you do.



** Summary **
Total attacks made: 805 (129,367 acres)
-- Traditional march: 697 (123,030 acres)
-- Ambush: 62 (6,337 acres)
-- Conquest: 18 (1,488 acres)
-- Failed: 28 (3.5% failure)
-- Uniques: 383
Total attacks suffered: 1,147 (117,406 acres)
-- Traditional march: 1,010 (109,008 acres)
-- Ambush: 99 (8,398 acres)
-- Massacre: 2 (5,800 population)
-- Learn: 4
-- Failed: 32 (2.8% failure)
-- Uniques: 400

** The kingdom of () **
Total land exchanged: +13,449 (805/1,147)

As both sides have agreed, papers aren't very relevant, due to the amount of land lust. Early in war it was only Simians land lusting; now Sanc is using that strategy. Based on the above I'd say sanc has LL'd about 3k more in total than simians has. We've gone through about 16k pool.

[Realest]

my advice for you dorje, is that you need to massacre. i told you 2 days ago

[Anri]

errrr

[Bishop]

This is the best thread I've seen on here in some time.

[bounceOS]

Old school giving Fury so many acres is just a disgrace, dont even try to grow if you are going to farm out that badly....

I feel like throwing my computer out of the window. Good ****ing game old school. Who was the masterbrain behind dicing/exploring so hard only to get farmed out to Fury in the worst way possible. Disband the KD all ready.

Anri we entered war completeley unpumped , we could not double tap while they could 2x or 3x us , we had close to no war build and them beeing on full war build . we had no money for dragons while they had tons of cash stocked + 3 big money provs , we didnt have tpa set . I don't wanna take away the credits from fury , they did a great move , caught us offguard , we were careless which costed us in the end and fury saw a good oportunity to take acres , which they did so kudos to their leaders and kd planning and their kd activity+tactics in the war ,but i see that with all that you're losing almost same as us , with you beeing 100 % pumped and ready + you still act cocky and think you are still winning. We gave fury their well deserved warwin at mintime cuz we're not sore losers, they won we lost . I'm not a big fan of abs but i'm not a sore loser either .
You should disband the kd imo.

[I_am_Spartacus]

Dont worry guys, Simians is still going to catchup. They are just letting sanctuary get a 20k acre lead before they take it back.