Evil Dragons...

[Zauper]

Self justification, based on opinion, excluding facts, is grounds to do whatever one wishes. Having a bit of notoriety, allows one to bend that into looking like the right and just thing to do.And allows you to skew popular opinion to your side, at least until the smoke clears.

You killed people, for the smallest of reasons ED. Without a firm grasp of the facts. And even if there frowned upon, It's far and away above you to "fix" the problem. Having done so, and having made enemies(Surprise surprise), the consequences are yours. Unless you color the truth to fit your misdirections. You seem good at that. In which case you may gain allies that will defend you. But lies, always peter out eventually. And having Close allies, flip there allegiance at the wrong time, can be a bad thing. So be careful over in Dreamland. And remember,

Everyone hates the Politicians.

Deflection is a common tool of politicians.

Stop deflecting. If we're "bend[ing] things into looking like the right", it wouldn't be a simple list of facts that demonstrates we're in the right.

Unsullied LD's; we kill a prov. Killing provs in LD kds is not new, it is generally accepted because LD is unethical.

Strippers LD's and we have a grudge vs them; we kill a prov. See above.

Unsullied hits into our war with Strippers. Again, generally accepted as unethical.

There is no way we are twisting these facts, misdirecting them, or lying about them. If we're lying, go ahead and point to where. Vague accusations just put you in the shoes you're trying to accuse us of filling.

Anri: Simple -- ED > other kds; they mad, hit into our war with strippers.

Kerb: A grudge isn't a reason to hit into someone else's active war.

[Feint]

ED did sent my kingdom a threat Message before but not malicious enough for us to join in the fun

[Feint]

ED: you can dial and call for the utopia police for help

[Korp]

why don't dev do something like if prov is inactive for >3 days then subject for deletion? or let voting to cast out those who does not behave properly? for what i understand, the game tried to let the kd's decide if they are taking honor goal or the war win goal or high land goal in separate ways..

Because not all unwanted provs are inactive and it shouldnt be an easy task as "voting" to remove a province. Honorloss when razing was to discourage landdropping cause those people that landdrop most often is the people that care about their honor mostly.

Unsullied LD's; we kill a prov. Killing provs in LD kds is not new, it is generally accepted because LD is unethical.

Some people frown upon landdropping, they might not like it, but unethical? Nah.

[Zauper]

ED: you can dial and call for the utopia police for help

You mean the community? Because the community has come to us, asking for us to let them raze strippers.

The only folks asking for help here are Strippers.

edit:

Korp, you said it yourself yesterday:

So, staying smaller to avoid better competition and beat on kingdoms that are worse than your own isnt unethical?

[JONCY]

Who are these ghettos lining up to get farmed?

[Korp]

You mean the community? Because the community has come to us, asking for us to let them raze strippers.

The only folks asking for help here are Strippers.

edit:

Korp, you said it yourself yesterday:

Thats my opinion yes :) But I am afraid im not the whole general population

[jelloshots]

the kids these days. get off my lawn! ah, anyone remember hostile blocks? what fun.

[jelloshots]

Oh and something completely got lost in the mix: we *gained honor* from the razekill! Unsullied, UR DOIN IT RONG.

[Forensick]

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[DHaran]

Someone give me a recap of whatever this is about, I didn't know there was anything worth reading in here and now I'm behind.

[Forensick]

page 1 ->10

ED asking strippers to tag and war (bravado and what not)

page 10
ED finds strippers, who are in EOWCF (after a min time gain)
ED steals from CF (as strippers did to ED last age after agreeing on war.... and it seems to lots of other)

Strippers come online, labeling ED as bullies and asking for the server to help... or something, because ED wouldnt give them 96 hours to land drop out of range (sorry "pump"), Strippers only war ghettos that are evenly below them.

page 10 -14
The community at large tells strippers to man up and fight.
ED gets bored listening to them complain, so raze kill a prov to pass time.
strippers announce that it is unfair, so wont retal.
Prov dies, strippers finally retal, and then declare war on ED (claiming they are now even more disadvantaged... which negates means in declaring then, they negate their reason for not declaring earlier)

Page 14
Unsullied has 11 of their provinces (29 total razes), on the same hour, raze kill a province in ED, that strippers had chained to 420a
Strippers stop posting (so that way they don't have to deny it was requested)
Unsullied monarch says he had no idea his KD did that, but doesnt care
ED keep warring, and are significantly winning (despite external hit from unsullied, who are still taking intel on chained targets, and a few minor ops too)
Unsullied nubs show up claiming ED killed one of their provs previously ina 1v1 conflict. and that is so evil, that they are doing something less evil, and razing into war when ED has no capacity to retal

page 14/15
ED mentions that numerous KDs have contacted them, offering help raze killing strippers (and unsullied)
ED declines such offers because even 2 v 1 after 36 hours strippers are down 3000+ acres, have more disabled provs, and a n/w trending down faster

summarised enough?

so aparently, being generous 33provs vs 24 is still "not even" for strippers

and zauper thanks unsullied for the honour boost

[Parth]

Someone give me a recap of whatever this is about, I didn't know there was anything worth reading in here and now I'm behind.

Someone told you there was something worth reading here? If so, I want a name and telephone number to this person. Well actually, some of my posts were pretty funny, you can read those.

[SillyRabbit]

ED makes thread to boast. They will take on any opponent and play "old school". They brag about a razekill on a prov who was "land dropping"
They have deemed themselves in charge of policing the server. If you land drop, expect to be razekilled.
ED wants to fight strippers to rematch their lost war last age.
Strippers ask for some days to make it an even fight. ED cannot win under those circumstances.
Strippers refuse to war, suffer massacres/learns/razes for 4 days. Elf marquis razekilled. No ops or attacks made by our side as a sign of "move on, we fight when we even strength"
ED plays by their own morales, they rather wreck a kds age than fight a fair war
Strippers decide to war, being heavily disadvantaged.
ED claims they are just as weakened by razes as we are by losing a high honour elf.
Kd who was razekilled earlier decides to seek revenge, they razekill Zauper during war with Strippers.
ED thinks they have been wronged, they dont understand an eye for an eye.
War is a lot of fun for both sides. War forums are boring

[Zauper]

ED makes thread to call out strippers. They will take on any opponent and play "old school". They razekill a prov in a kd thatwas land dropping

ED hits strippers.

Strippers ask for 4 days.

ED finds 4 days to be unreasonable in addition to their 4 days to pump in EOWCF and wave Strippers anyway. It's a grudge, afterall, and we didn't get anything last age after strippers stole 15m from us during our EOWCF after we agreed to war.

Strippers refuse to war, suffer massacres/learns/razes for 4 days. Elf marquis razekilled. We don't move on because we don't have to and have a grudge.

ED plays by their own morales, they are ok with wrecking a kds age
Strippers decide to war, getting a free wave off vs a kd with no incoming land.

Kd who was razekilled earlier decides to lamely hit into a war, they razekill Zauper during war with Strippers. It is unclear if this is coordinated with Strippers, though it certainly could have been and based on their strategy, I would say is likely.

War is a lot of fun for both sides. War forums are because strippers refuse to post

Fixed that for you by removing your bias.

Also, 35 hours in, Strippers are down 20 uniques and 2k acres, in spite of all the razekills.

It's also funny that you spend so much time whining about how weak you guys were when last age we warred you as 20 provs vs 25 and had no sci/wpa/etc/etc.