I didnt know that WOW and CoD are both strategy games.Originally Posted by flutterby
Maybe you're playing some kind of Japanese version.
One of the reasons why people left was because there were people just pking others for fun.
Sure people left to play other games because there was no "fun" for them. The same concept applies in many online games where you grow grow and then somebody bigger than you just clashes and clashes at you despite doing everything to stop them.
I realize they gave you hostile. You're missing my point. My point is, they offered you a CF. In prior posts, you have indicated that when offered a CF, you should accept it and move on. You chose to declare war instead -- which is obviously a reasonable responsible. Our, equally reasonable response, is that we don't care about CF offers and are happy to continue hitting. People only move on if their goal is a war with anyone at all. That was not our goal.
And you're correct, you withdrew your CF offer. Seems you have waved a kd 80% your size for 2+ days for science. Amusingly, you were closer to us in land and that would just show we were just doing the same thing to you you've done to others. So you really have no room to complain.
Megafusion: you're also wrong. Originally, when it was fairly easy to kill in no relations, it happened rather frequently and the game was continuing to grow. Then it became only possible to do in war, and the game continued to grow. Then it started to shrink. You're right that WOW and COD aren't strategy games, but they are games that take time, and pull people out of utopia. A lot of players quit uto to focus on playing WOW instead. If you were playing at the time, you'd know that.
We also aren't some super size kd razing a kd 10 or 20% of our size. We're hitting kingdoms reasonable in our NW range that could war us if they wanted to, and have other responses.
Last edited by Zauper; 02-04-2013 at 18:10.
the rest isnt speculation,
#2 you did last age to ED
#3 you did w/one of "good" war the kds i sometimes follow, i'd have to check the logs but i wanna say vice and virtue or warcry, in your first age
#4-5 you've done to a kd i keep very close tabs every age (even if i wouldn't call them a ghetto)
#6,7,8 you have specifically done to my kd...
edit...if i actually need logs i'll grab them tonight, before i go to bed.
Last edited by Persain; 02-04-2013 at 18:17.
"Oh man... the bull**** piled up so fast in Vietnam, you needed wings to stay above it."
Cpt. Willard; Apocalypse now.
A lot of posts in here blame Strippers/Debauchery for bashing ghettos to get war wins. If their goal is to get the WW crown, then the system is made to promote that style of play. The crown is not given to the KD who fought the toughest, longest wars. It's given to the one with the highest rating, and rating is calculated by number of wins * enemy size ratio. So the most efficient way to increase your rating is to fight brief, easy wars against larger opponents. That is how the system works, Strippers/Debauchery has understood that, and plays accordingly. Call it exploiting a loophole if you want, call it lame if you want, but I don't see what's wrong with playing efficiently.
You don't blame Germans for being efficient and running trains on time, do you?
If you don't like that what strippers do is the best way to crown, pressure the developers to change the system to be more rewarding. Don't hassle the people who found the easiest way the play the system. That's what the music industry has been doing since the late 90s about p2p, and look what they have achieved! Strippers/Debauchery wont stop warring like they do just because you guys don't like it. Just like ED wont stop raze-killing land-droppers because land-droppers don't like it. "Haters gonna hate" as they say.
But hey, so far each of my posts in the forums has been about suggestions. And since Bishop has shown up in here, here's a suggestion to fix Ghetto Bashing:
Instead of having ratings only take into account the relative size of opponents, have it also take into account the win record of opponents fought through the age. This way when you fight a KD, you bet on their score for the rest of the age. Fighting a ghetto that ends up with 0-6 record would hurt your rating, while losing to a KD that ends with 4-4 wouldn't be as bad. This way, KD looking for the crown are driven to fight each other instead of ghettos. And at the same time, would also fix super KDs not tagging, as they wouldn't want to fight ghettos, and tagging would help them attract the good fights.
What do you say, Bishop?
THX: that's a fairly dumb post.
Hey, you know what would be efficient? If we had these workers, and we didn't have to pay them anything, and also we didn't have to care if they died because it would be cheap to buy a new one. I know, we should have slaves again! That doesn't mean that the international community wouldn't frown on someone going out and enslaving another country.
Now that we're out of terrible real life analogy territory...
Just because it's the best way to get wars doesn't mean it's ethical or supported by the community to play that way. And if you choose to, you also choose to accept the consequences.
Your suggestion is also pretty bad because not all warwins are created equal and your method of trying to account for the skill of kds is kinda bad -- what is you beat SPGC and they disband as a result? Were they a bad kd when they warred you? Maybe a kd ends with a record of 4-5 but they got that record by warring 4 terrible kingdoms and then one slightly below average kingdom -- does that mean the slightly above average kingdom really beat a '4/4' kingdom?
I thought games were made to promote interest.
I didn't say they were but if you have a more fancy, flashy game that is more interesting.. chances are people will chose that over a text based game.
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tell that to the kd 2 ages ago that had a prov defect, and double quad tap his friends to give war. They went what 3/3 or 4/4 before mods removed their wins. Sure strippers may not cheat blatantly like that but dirty play is gonna cause retribution in game as there are something you just dont do. Add that to the fact that these actions cost them fewer and fewer friends in game and it wont end well
Feel free to improve on my suggestion. At least I'm trying to fix something that appears to be broken. All I see you do is insult and complain.
Remove the warwin chart. Make honor functionally gainable in hostile again.
Tada, you no longer need to bash ghettos to win either chart, and if you choose to stay small and avoid other kds to gain honor, they can hit you to hostile and take it.
But then what's the point of warring if you don't need it to get honour, and there is no crown to be gained either?
We aren't interested in players who think its ok to land drop and op into eowcf with no consequences. We are 100% in favour of players who uphold ethical values.
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In war, it's still easier to gain/take honor and land than oow.
Fair enough. Join me in a crusade to make this part of next age's changes?
Why is it possible to op into and eowcf then? Why not simply make it -100% thievery efficiency in and out of eowcf?
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