yeah this is exactly what i was asking.Originally Posted by Aranfein
yeah this is exactly what i was asking.
The Jerks.
You joined 1-2 days after that deal was made by waving Meep. You waved a kingdom that was clearly involved in the alliance war and you then forced another free wave on them in order to "get out". You then fortified pumped on the land and immediately re-entered the war, this time deal breaking emeriti.
AMP, why would you even come here to post about such dishonest play by your kingdom?
Yet you didn't. You instead pumped on the free land you were given in fortified and then deal broke emeriti.
Last edited by AquaSeaFoam; 21-06-2015 at 15:35.
It almost seems that for Emeriti this solely started with the dealbreak, and that it's purely BB's fault that they didn't accept what they felt was a paltry offer of reparations (which is their right). Your point seems to imply that the offending party can unilaterally decide the reparations to be made. It also follows that if Emeriti had themselves waved into BB's EOWCF but had offered some repayment that Emeriti deemed acceptable, and BB didn't accept, that would have absolved Emeriti of any blame whatsoever as well.
This doesn't seem to figure in any of the proposals / discussions / assessments that have come up, about who gets to determine what a proportionate response to transgressions are.
And because I know you'll state that Emeriti is being awfully charitable by covering for Bourreau's transgressions, I would state that whatever the case, it would set a bad precedent and create a highly anti-competitive situation where there are multiple kingdoms in the age there just to screw with the main competitors they don't like. Because, based on this age, we've establised that it's perfectly okay for a "friend" to mess with another competing kingdom.
Last edited by Leonidas; 21-06-2015 at 15:53. Reason: double post, later edited.
all your cf are garbage .. abs players always try to get a cf though double talk, threats ans intimidation no different than when that maxi leading cr tried to threaten my kd with getting free suicide on my prov. i cxl that garbage cf and hit you right into fort. real cf might be worth something not the ****s you idiots pull
AMP, stop posting locs!
WH... oh wait last age proceed with correct argument
As an outsider looking in, this point resonates with me the most. Not excusing Emeriti's questionable actions, but I definitely agree that BB's response was disproportionate and was driven too much by emotion and not enough by brains, leading to quite the clusterbleep across many fronts.
But hey, how else would we get our Uto-excitement these days? :)
Leonidas, you make some well thought out statements. As for the reparations which were offered, they were not paltry, nor were they unilaterally decided on. Bour's reparations were finally accepted by BB and were delivered. He gave BB 2.8x the land he razed and he also agreed to BB's acre caps on his and his kingdom mates provinces. He had the #1 province before this and it was destroyed by this. Emeriti offered BB whatever BB felt needed to fully ensure their position was not damaged including land, gold, adjusted cf terms to BB's specification, and whatever else was needed to ensure the situation was fixed. This is no paltry or unilateral offer and it is the most generous offer given to any top kingdom in recent ages for any damages that I know of. I know of a lot of other recent "dirty play" by top kingdoms that was much worse than this (including by the kingdoms involved) where nothing was offered.
You should also understand, that no friend was sent to mess with BB. Bour was advised to get a cf for himself with Bb and was advised that if BB wouldn't give it to him he could raze while theyw ere weak to force one. this was bad advice and was apologized for, but it's clear from Bour's multiple cf offers and offers of all land plus more and other help to BB, that this was not about "messing" with BB. It was just about a #1 prov in a weak kingdom getting himself a cf before he got farmed. The intention may matter to some and not to others but I think it's important that it's not misrepresented.
Aquaseafoam: Real question - You have said the same thing over and over again at least 50 times already. Do you think that it's that 51st time that's going to change anyone's mind?
Your suddenly a friend offering advice?
Well done for making such a mess of the game. Unnecessarily.
No one cares about your reparations. Inconsequential.
The guy with the outrageously false accusations simply does not know when to stop.
Abs alliance continues to point the finger. Pathetic.
Look in the mirror for that
We didn't feel like quitting the game watching your alliance blatantly cheat and chart shape, we decided to destroy your alliance instead. Coward.
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