Proposal to end he Awar

[bombdigie]

It's actually Non-Cheaters vs Cheaters (Emeriti)

[SnirpsneR]

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

Smart as in ppl who left abs and didn't stay till the end. That's why Emeriti is called abs kd. Cuz it contains ppl who where there till end

[Korp]

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

As sad previously its just a easy way to group down bunch of people.

[citadela01]

That's rather rude to say, but you're allowed to have your opinion. It doesn't change the fact that this whole PR stunt to make this GB into "abs vs anti-abs" is false since you have just as many former abs leaders as we do.

You kinda wrapped it up when you put ASF as your frontman.

[Sheister]

I dunno, ASF was the face of abs for so long, its kinda hard to place him anywhere else ya know? Plus on your crown you all made sure to tag "[Player name] of [former abs KD]" Those of you who were not strictly in abs tagged with CR.

/me shrugs.

Why are you surprised people trace the lineage and connect the dots?

[Feint]

So when will this awar ends? What is needed for that? Till flogger and his friends occupy the top 5 spots? Will this coalition get their attention of CJ not because of awar but because CJ kingdom is in their way. Hahah

[citadela01]

So when will this awar ends? What is needed for that? Till flogger and his friends occupy the top 5 spots? Will this coalition get their attention of CJ not because of awar but because CJ kingdom is in their way. Hahah

How funny is that, BB will get to either prove or disprove abs claims about their motives with their actions once this is over.

[Crunch]

I'm fairly certain that flogger was in Abs court, and 100% certain that he ran an Abs kingdom as a monarch for multiple ages, so I'd say you kept that one rather close to the tree trunk. Considering SnirpsneR was also a former Abs leader, I'd say your argument is rather spot on. There's no way this whole thing is "abs vs anti-abs". There are just as many former abs leaders in BB/ancillary KDs as there are in Emeriti/ancillary KDs.

most who left have since denounced abs for their double talking cheating ways. those who have not deserve to be green...

[Verminator]

It's actually Non-Cheaters vs Cheaters (Emeriti)

Now now, be careful, your original argument was that Emeriti organized some ****ty behavior, but not sure where they cheated in this whole mess. You're weakening your stance with those labels.

[bombdigie]

Now now, be careful, your original argument was that Emeriti organized some ****ty behavior, but not sure where they cheated in this whole mess. You're weakening your stance with those labels.

No, my argument is bour razed into eowcf, and he did it exactly like the logs said he should do it.

They cheated by sicking their mutts on the only other two whoring kingdoms (though they didn't realize one wasn't even whoring and so that miscalculation caused a war win to their opponent) to keep them preoccupied while they explored and farmed science. While securing a CF with another of their mutts, they had a fake war with a 75% networth friendly to catch up in land and even more science. Very well planned and organized and you have to give them props for it, but only if they got away with it and crowned. Alas they did not, their age is ruined, and they reek of failure. These types of coincidences don't happen unless they are well planned and thought out. Flogger exposed exactly how shady the current leaders are in Emeriti, and to deny anything of what I just said shows their true character, filth.

Now that's not to say that they were AWAR(ed) because of those coincidences, but because they discussed exactly how their mutt was to raze into EOWCF, and he did it exactly as they told him he should do it. At that point the coincidences started to make more sense, and then when the AWAR began and those mutts rushed to aid them immediately, is proof enough for me to label them cheaters forever.

Lastly, on the topic of cheating, the cheating I am referring to is fake warring, chart shaping, and persuasion. These are non-punishable cheating's within the games mechanics (especially fake warring because those are not possible to prove). The cheating I am not referring to is having a multi in your kingdom that gets deleted and starts wars via the unfriendly/hostile button pushing system. And yes Pyro were victim of such a cheater, and in my opinion it was likely a placed mole as we had a massive turnover and needed reinforcements immediately, with only 3 days in between ages its not like you have the opportunity to properly interview people.

[Aranfein]

bombdigie you make a fool of yourself in nearly every post lately, you can not claim fact without proof then you do exactly like some others weve seen in here... Also i think we can establish the shady play Emeriti did in regards to Bour as we got proof there, as for fake war etc. you should rather hold your opinion back before posting them as facts.

Pyro was a victim of a multi last age but again for some it was preplanned to gain an early unfair farm war, you and rest of pyro can claim it wasnt but without proof there is neither facts for it being true or untrue. (just trying to prove to you how it makes it sound what you claim, without having the actual proof to prove it as facts).

bombdigie how exactly is persuasion cheating? I agree fake warring and chart shaping is considered as, but not sure how you see persuasion as cheating?

Emeriti yes your seen as Abs and if i dont remember wrong you also tagged as Abs last age so not exactly a surprise your seen as Abs, stop trying to claim you arent, because tagging as Abs while having a long time abs leader as leader/council and then tagging, kinda makes it obvious for everyone looking in that Abs is what you regard yourself as, otherwise why tag? if those below cJ tagged as Simians wouldnt they be regarded as such?

[Heiney]

Its just sad how the age is spoilt for 25 players and Im not even talking about crowning. Cant people let emeriti continue playing the game? Such dramatic actions needs to be taken for a raze into eowcf. There are worse crimes in recent times that were never actioned or minimally so.

[SlightlyOverdosed]

Its just sad how the age is spoilt for 25 players and Im not even talking about crowning. Cant people let emeriti continue playing the game? Such dramatic actions needs to be taken for a raze into eowcf. There are worse crimes in recent times that were never actioned or minimally so.

Except they were offered just that, from the start.
Thing is it seems like Emeriti refused (and still refusing?) to accept that they actually did anything wrong, it reeks from their posts here. And as a result they refuse any kind of punishment.
I have no idea how this will end, but I feel like it could have ended long ago.

[bombdigie]

bombdigie you make a fool of yourself in nearly every post lately, you can not claim fact without proof then you do exactly like some others weve seen in here... Also i think we can establish the shady play Emeriti did in regards to Bour as we got proof there, as for fake war etc. you should rather hold your opinion back before posting them as facts.

Pyro was a victim of a multi last age but again for some it was preplanned to gain an early unfair farm war, you and rest of pyro can claim it wasnt but without proof there is neither facts for it being true or untrue. (just trying to prove to you how it makes it sound what you claim, without having the actual proof to prove it as facts).

bombdigie how exactly is persuasion cheating? I agree fake warring and chart shaping is considered as, but not sure how you see persuasion as cheating?

Emeriti yes your seen as Abs and if i dont remember wrong you also tagged as Abs last age so not exactly a surprise your seen as Abs, stop trying to claim you arent, because tagging as Abs while having a long time abs leader as leader/council and then tagging, kinda makes it obvious for everyone looking in that Abs is what you regard yourself as, otherwise why tag? if those below cJ tagged as Simians wouldnt they be regarded as such?

I can make my own conclusions on the convolutions.

I think persuasion in an aligned manner is cheating when there are only three competing parties, based on mechanics of the game especially with islands being revealed nearly instantly and protection being 1 day. This ages strategy that they almost pulled off was really crafty. I was quite vocal about it while it was all occurring - I was not pleased, I'm not the only one who felt this way, as you can now tell by how they've become a rag doll, that doesn't happen to you unless you deserve it. They deserved it! ;)

I've been fighting and killing Abs since Age 3. Nothing made me happier when bour razed into eowcf, I knew the game (and more specifically current age and future ages would be affected by this) was going to change dramatically and drastically. The old ways of crowning and charting don't mean squat right now, and let's keep it that way. AWAR is the only way to play right now. Everyone should pick sides at end of age, try and balance it with neutral parties, and then go after each other until only one remains. More importantly, people will come back for it. Everyone will know where each side is because they are going to talk. Let's ridicule each other, and insult each other (dont make the mods angry), and call people sinners and be victorious - Razing is the only way to solve disputes.

[Leshrak]

Except they were offered just that, from the start.
Thing is it seems like Emeriti refused (and still refusing?) to accept that they actually did anything wrong, it reeks from their posts here. And as a result they refuse any kind of punishment.
I have no idea how this will end, but I feel like it could have ended long ago.

It's been almost 24h now since flogger made a proposal that I found agreeable. Very shortly after he made it and I was agreeable, he told me he had to log off for his bday to spend time with his gf, and to PM the logs to protector to get the deal finalized. I PMed them to prot 6h later, prot stalled/delayed reading them for another few hours, then argued with me for 2 hours about the terms he wanted that were different from what I'd already been offered, changed the terms (basically back to square one), and had to go sleep. Since he went to sleep, FS declared us, BB, Pyro, and TBB? Did full waves in, and now they are RKing more of our provs.

The above doesn't even mention the 24-30+ total hours I've spent talking to flogger/darkie/protector over the last 9-12 days trying to reach a deal that doesn't completely destroy our kd. But I guess they would rather destroy our kd than admit that this has gone too far from their side. Their point was made a week and a half ago.

So no, its just a bit inaccurate and insulting to suggest we aren't trying to accept punishment. They either don't seem to be at all interested in making a deal or bb has lost control of their alliance members.

Also, serious question for everyone: has bombdigie ever made a coherent, constructive addition to any discussion?