Jesters

[pierniczek]

I said I don't buy that excuse:



If you're wrongly accused at least give 2, 3 days before accepting defeat. Conceding within a few hours screams guilt to anyone with a hint of objectivity.

I frankly don't care what you do or don't buy, the case has been settled, mails have been exchanged which you haven't seen.

[Alaric]

You don't have any proof that it's fabricated. I think this couple is actually just one guy. I mean I haven't seen a single proof that it's two people to begin with. Hell I haven't seen that there is more than one person in Jesters. One person probably xlogging the whole kd. Catch my drift?

Innocent until proven guilty? Thats how its done in the western world.

[Dr. Oppenheimer]

You don't have any proof that it's fabricated. I think this couple is actually just one guy. I mean I haven't seen a single proof that it's two people to begin with. Hell I haven't seen that there is more than one person in Jesters. One person probably xlogging the whole kd. Catch my drift?

nope I don't, and see no need for you

[Alaric]

Like I am going to show you the back end admin interface. Not a chance.

Why not? Am I going to steal it lol?

[Culex]

Innocent until proven guilty? Thats how its done in the western world.

There really is no reason to debate with Bishops fan boys.

[Korp]

Wow, who are you to make such accusations?
If something is done unjustly in thier opinion upon them it's not a surprise that they are angry. Wouldn't you be?

Im smart enough that I know I should behave towards the person I want something from. Not calling him names and repeatedly accuse him of playing in the enemy kd even though people have repeatedly told that it's not the case.

[Bishop]

Well you skipped my entire post except the most unimportant bit. Why don't you address why Bishop didn't post actual logs? Look how easy it is:

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Below are the usage hits of 3 devices over the last 4 days.
deviceid acc1 acc2
1 ---- 5 ----7
2 ---- 25 ---- 24
3 ---- 5 ----1000
Acc1 belongs to sexual harassment panda and Acc2 belongs to XXX. This is evidence they cross log!
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lol

Are you accusing me of fabricating evidence. You should read the mod warning before you reply.

[Alaric]

Im smart enough that I know I should behave towards the person I want something from. Not calling him names and repeatedly accuse him of playing in the enemy kd even though people have repeatedly told that it's not the case.

Well that speaks to your character. Personally I care more about honour and justice.

[pierniczek]

Im smart enough that I know I should behave towards the person I want something from. Not calling him names and repeatedly accuse him of playing in the enemy kd even though people have repeatedly told that it's not the case.

The players in question behaved very properly.

I think Krissy should be reinstated for being the most polite and reasonable person in the thread


but this is why I don't do support

Unless you want me to believe you can influence the verdicts of an Institution that should solely make decisions upon the letter of law?

[Korp]

Innocent until proven guilty? Thats how its done in the western world.

And I guess in your Western world anyone can dispute a court order and claiming those convicted are innocent? While insulting the judge and demanding proof for evyone too see?

[Korp]

Well that speaks to your character. Personally I care more about honour and justice.

Oh is that so honor for you is insulting people and thinking that will get you somewhere..

[Alaric]

Are you accusing me of fabricating evidence. You should read the mod warning before you reply.

I'm just calling into question why the obvious steps (screenshot) weren't taken to avoid such accusations in the first place, and merely meditating on the reasons behind it. There's nothing to hide from posting the screenshot. I'm sure any sensitive information can just be blanked out via paint editing. This is a serious situation, people have been accused of cheating. That's a big deal. The authenticity of proof should match the seriousness of the accusation.

In law, in the country I study in anyways, there are situations where proof can't be forced out of someone, in particular in situations of paternity tests. For human rights reasons the court cant physically force a man to undergo a medical test. But if the man refuses to consent to the test, the court can draw adverse assumptions based on the refusal to consent. Surely you can see the relation to our present situation. By denying the release of the screenshot it is you, yourself, that have opened yourself up to accusations and casting doubt on the situation.

[pierniczek]

And I guess in your Western world anyone can dispute a court order and claiming those convicted are innocent? While insulting the judge and demanding proof for evyone too see?

Whoever insults the judge from the crowd is removed from the courtroom. Same thing happened here, the banhammer was put into use.

[Bishop]

I'm just calling into question why the obvious steps (screenshot) weren't taken to avoid such accusations in the first place, and merely meditating on the reasons behind it. There's nothing to hide from posting the screenshot. I'm sure any sensitive information can just be blanked out via paint editing. This is a serious situation, people have been accused of cheating. That's a big deal. The authenticity of proof should match the seriousness of the accusation.

In law, in the country I study in anyways, there are situations where proof can't be forced out of someone, in particular in situations of paternity tests. For human rights reasons the court cant physically force a man to undergo a medical test. But if the man refuses to consent to the test, the court can draw adverse assumptions based on the refusal to consent. Surely you can see the relation to our present situation. By denying the release of the screenshot it is you, yourself, that have opened yourself up to accusations and casting doubt on the situation.

This isn't public court, this is a private business with private assets, private procedures and an obvious requirement to keep detection methods out of the eyes of potential cheaters.

A screenshot will expose some of our detection methods, I am not going to do that. This is standard across the gaming industry.

[Alaric]

And I guess in your Western world anyone can dispute a court order and claiming those convicted are innocent? While insulting the judge and demanding proof for evyone too see?

In this situation Bishop is not the court, he is the prosecutor presenting evidence of cheating. The public 3rd parties are the court.