Republic of Octobrev - Double Hostile w/ Strippers & ghetto

[Papa Legba]

But you are at fault... all the way through. How you guys still can't realize or admit that is beyond me. Especially since most of the apologies due are for Abi's personal actions since this began, rather then the situation itself.

Our goals are not really to FSU, we just have none. FSU just crops up whenever a kingdom, any kingdom, picks a fight with us. In previous ages this included Simians/Pandas, CR, and BB. This age it was you and 'Strippers' who stirred ****.

There is no fault for us to apologize for. You waved into an active hostile, you acted like pricks, and you are paying the price. We said we'd raze into your future wars, we did. Sheister and I at least have vowed to disband you, and we will. And that promise only came after Abi so deftly tried to have us permakilled from our own KD.

We would be happy to move on for 15k acres, the deletion of abi's province, or an apology. Else you can enjoy what time you have left before I make you all quit.

OK, so you have once more demonstrated that you have no interest in settling this. Please tell bishop to never blame us again for "refusing to move on".

Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.

Did you miss that half of the discussion? Abi explained it in clear detail in this very thread.

Just to clarify. Samsung messaged me asking for help in killing Korp as he already had votes and wanted monarchy. (I think he even tried to offer a FW arrangement in return for the help.. maybe he really IS a nub... but anyway). I explained that we had killed korp several times and he kept respawning. I informed Samsung how the mechanics work and what it would take to remove him. I also explained that he had several friends in the kingdom who would likely try to get him back/cause trouble. (Obviously I didn't even give the war offer a mention).

Samsung messages me back asking who his friends were. I replied saying. "The ones who have been involved against us are as follows...

At no point did I offer, agree or suggest any collusion, I simply answered his questions to the best of my ability.

But then, you never replied to her (I won't go so far to say it was deliberate) so it is rather convenient for you to say that you missed it.

For any objectively minded, it is clear that Abi's explanation by no means suggests that she made an attempt at a collusion or to go behind the negotiations. Your noob approached her FIRST because he wanted the monarchy (his free will), he wanted to know how to go about doing it and Abi explained the mechanics behind it.

But then, there is a suspicion on why that particular noob bothered to disclose his convo with Abi to you guys if he wanted you guys gone. Something certainly worthy of discussion.

If this is your biggest argument on why the term was never reached, please try harder to come up with something else that is not entirely based on groundless assumptions.

[Kestrel038]

Stop using the delay as an excuse. It's irrelevant as there was no time limit put on negotiations and I had allowed allowed you delays as you had to work.

Abi went behind your back and negated all discussions. We offered a very fair compromise which was still on the table until you guys pulled it.

So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

[Bishop]

OK, so you have once more demonstrated that you have no interest in settling this. Please tell bishop to never blame us again for "refusing to move on".



Did you miss that half of the discussion? Abi explained it in clear detail in this very thread.



But then, you never replied to her (I won't go so far to say it was deliberate) so it is rather convenient for you to say that you missed it.

For any objectively minded, it is clear that Abi's explanation by no means suggests that she made an attempt at a collusion or to go behind the negotiations. Your noob approached her FIRST because he wanted the monarchy (his free will), he wanted to know how to go about doing it and Abi explained the mechanics behind it.

But then, there is a suspicion on why that particular noob bothered to disclose his convo with Abi to you guys if he wanted you guys gone. Something certainly worthy of discussion.

If this is your biggest argument on why the term was never reached, please try harder to come up with something else that is not entirely based on groundless assumptions.

Abi is lying. She lies. Did you not know that?

[Band of Horses]

So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

This is a terrible apology, Bishop will never accept it. - your fault

[Bishop]

So let me get this straight.

You have it wrong. You missed the first bit.

Edit: actually you twisted an awful lot of that, i am not surprised.

Karma is a premise for fools and morons. You reap what you sow. Nothing to do with karma.

[Sheister]

So let me get this straight.

Sheister mouths off and threatens OOW razes unless we CF him to Yr5. - Our fault.
Sheister razes into our war 44 times - Our fault
Sheister believes the conflict is dealt with even though we already had plans to repay him - Our fault
You managed to pick a fight with Strippers which you recruit Sheister to help you with - Our fault
You threatened to raze into our wars which prompted our hits on you - Our fault
A province from YOUR kingdom messages us saying they want to kill you off - Our fault
Steel and Korp insist that only Bishop (who has a lot of other things to do) can do diplo - Our fault
Bishop as expected, has a busy schedule and is unable to conclude talks before your "nub" messaged me - Our fault
We did not continue hits until after Steel and Korp had mouthed off in forums and stated that talks were ended - Our fault

Yes, we were in control of every single of the above actions.. we were able to control and dictate every single act listed.. clearly our fault 100%.

We have made every effort to bring this to conclusion. You guys have made every effort to prolong it. we shall let karma decide. :)

try again and insert your actions and omissions. LOL!

[Papa Legba]

Abi is lying. She lies. Did you not know that?

This is a half-assed 2nd grade tier level response. For a moment I wanted a discussion based on reason, yet you have degraded this into playground bickering. If you choose to believe your kingdom-mate and is convinced that your interpretation of the situation is the truth, that's fine. I, too, have no reason to believe your words over Abi's. We might as well call each other liars until the end of time.

But the fact still stands - your kingdom has continued to raise your demands - from 5k to 7.5k to now 15k. DD, on the other hand, has demonstrated a willingness to come to terms by giving up what is rightfully ours despite belief that we are not to blame here - from no term CF to 2.5k land to Octobrev. We are not the one who brought up side-issues to circumvent our way out of agreement.

Yet how you have the guts to accuse us as fools who refuse to move on is mind-numbing.

[Bishop]

This is a half-assed 2nd grade tier level response. For a moment I wanted a discussion based on reason, yet you have degraded this into playground bickering. If you choose to believe your kingdom-mate and is convinced that your interpretation of the situation is the truth, that's fine. I, too, have no reason to believe your words over Abi's. We might as well call each other liars until the end of time.

But the fact still stands - your kingdom has continued to raise your demands - from 5k to 7.5k to now 15k. DD, on the other hand, has demonstrated a willingness to come to terms by giving up what is rightfully ours despite belief that we are not to blame here - from no term CF to 2.5k land to Octobrev. We are not the one who brought up side-issues to circumvent our way out of agreement.

Yet how you have the guts to accuse us as fools who refuse to move on is mind-numbing.

No honestly. Abi lies. She's been found out several times she lied about this exact scenario and sloped off to hide when I offered to confirm it.

Take no heed of steels demand of 15k. There is no demand. I'm going to raze into your wars.

DD, and I mean abi here as I have no real issue with krynn et all, have only demonstrated that you are not to be trusted.

[elmoheadbutt]

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

[Sheister]

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

Alan Moore is my hero.

[StratOcastle]

The question remains: Who watches the watchmen?

When it can't be interpreted as fun anymore I'm sure throngs will converge. I'm telling you guys to look at this as one of those ongoing SE Asian conflicts, or whatever...several hundred years in Europe.

Here you have a chance to weave another Utopian tapestry. Yeah, old guys will say "In the dying days..." but even the WWE had some of its best wrestling drama when they suffered a great exodus of superstars(and I never liked them). Don't let these things wear you out, let them make you a campaigner.

[Papa Legba]

No honestly. Abi lies. She's been found out several times she lied about this exact scenario and sloped off to hide when I offered to confirm it.

Take no heed of steels demand of 15k. There is no demand. I'm going to raze into your wars.

DD, and I mean abi here as I have no real issue with krynn et all, have only demonstrated that you are not to be trusted.

And what makes you think your kingdom is any more trustworthy than we are? How is this even relevant at this point? Again, Abi's words over yours. It doesn't matter who you think lied and who didn't - it won't convince me, unless you are able to post a definite proof of it (which I have yet to see). As far as I'm concerned, your kingdom has done more than its share to demonstrate that you will not settle for anything less than razing into our wars. Your negotiation attempt with Krynn was a sham, you never intended it to settle in the first place, and found the perfect opportunity at the right time to turn Abi into a perfect scapegoat for you to sidetrack the issue. Am I wrong? Well I guess it doesn't matter since you chose to turn this discussion into something about "what we THINK happened" rather than what actually happened.

[Krynn]

And what makes you think your kingdom is any more trustworthy than we are? How is this even relevant at this point? Again, Abi's words over yours. It doesn't matter who you think lied and who didn't - it won't convince me, unless you are able to post a definite proof of it (which I have yet to see). As far as I'm concerned, your kingdom has done more than its share to demonstrate that you will not settle for anything less than razing into our wars. Your negotiation attempt with Krynn was a sham, you never intended it to settle in the first place, and found the perfect opportunity at the right time to turn Abi into a perfect scapegoat for you to sidetrack the issue. Am I wrong? Well I guess it doesn't matter since you chose to turn this discussion into something about "what we THINK happened" rather than what actually happened.

I believe if Bishop and I were left on our own to come up with the CF we could have made it happen. too much other BS going on.

[Sheister]

I believe if Bishop and I were left on our own to come up with the CF we could have made it happen. too much other BS going on.

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which is why flaming is usually left in the forums and things actually get done in IRC and people like Abi are told to STFU and stay out of it.

[Pillz]

Lol @ this papa legba fellow.

In this thread logs have shown Abi to be lying many times. By abi's own admission she explains to the random how to kill us (though she lies as to the circumstances).

Why is your monarch instructing one of our random how to kill us during sensitive negotiations that both kds had explicitly agreed would be between just two KD members?

Are you retarded or do you just stew in a pot of cognitive dissonance?