Plague

[Persain]

Perhaps.....but, orcs that are chained down will have higher gains science on top of their natural +20% compared to chained down undeads. Networth difference will also be a huge factor for land lusting in which case you would need much higher WPA depending on the target. Max pop for undeads would also be much lower when comparing chained orcs and chained undeads due to the science penalty.

all true..yet if your going to make a claim y not look hard numbers. then u have to include things like. undead=constant plague, undead = more likely to be warrior (and get the Same +20% gains via 4 hits*1.2=5 vice 5hits*1=5), orc= off losses>>undead unless cleric. Then look at science really for a chained people they can get gold/food aided and tpa/wpa/be are meh at best

So undead/warrior v orc/clearc you end up comparing plauge to science (1,000 bpa) at 5% pop and 11% gains bonus over the same undead and its non-obvious who will win. For other the pers choices though, 50% reduced losses+plague>>gains+science any day. Given the staying power of an undead and the power of plauge to keep an opponent from growing undead should win those wars..