Ukraine says has 'compelling evidence' of plane shoot down

[freemehul]

Your argument on separation of powers is of course true on the national level, on the other hand international law is outside the jurisdiction of national government

That's perfectly true of course, but I was talking on the examplary level. Not that I mean by that, that you should export democracy, but merely that showing a poor example does not make for a convincing argument.

The problem was that it wasn't theirs to give away, the piece of paper or the tyrants has nothing to do with it, the ****ty part is that they gave away a piece of another nation without that nation having a say in the matter.

True, but I would say it is both, it wasn't theirs to give away, but even if it was, it would still be a bad decision to give away

Yes and so did Hitler and why should we let them?
It's better that we make a stand now where we can afford to be slow about it(because Ukraine is only our problem as long as we choose to make it our problem) rather than when he takes the next step and starts this sorta **** in a NATO or EU nation because then we'd have WWIII 5 minutes later. If Ukraine had been in EU or NATO WWIII would have already started months ago.

I would like to point out this though. Hitler didn't have nuclear weapons. Of course they were busy getting their hands on them as are the Iranians nowadays, but he didn't have them. The allies bombed his Norwegian heavy water factory and the German scienists weren't exactly the brightest minds when it came to the math about the bomb. Funny how it works, but those who migrated to democratic countries knew how to make things, those who stayed put and help tyrants did not. It's one of the better historical ironies.

That's why its better to take out Putin's ability to wage war. Wars are expensive, not only in human terms, but also financially. If he wants to make stand, let it be costly. Each time he lashes out, tighten the noose on him.

If you want take out a Russian bear, don't get the shotgun, because you may get mauled, before you kill it. Better is to snare it and wait for it to die of starvation. Its slow, but it's safe.