Quote Originally Posted by beans View Post
Arguments that it is "obvious" or that we are required to honour the "intent" of a deal and not the letter of a deal have not changed my mind, although they have strengthened my belief that we should not be messing around with **** play at all even against kds that have wronged us.
Regardless of what you think u guys dealbroke or not, the fact is multiple kds agree with us and bart was offered a chance to make things right for VERY little damage, and even offered a war as part of it. If he didnt want the war a token offer of some honor (something your kd finds valuable) could have at least been offered. As it wasn't and he simply continued to be insulting and this is the result.

The "correct" response from bart after waving was "no we didn't deal break see i tricked you.....oh every kd agrees we deal broke, fine i'll learn from this and wont try to lie/cheat with our cf's from now on. Now whats a reasonable offer to make things right. We dont wanna war so how about XYZ honor and when the FS/Acention war is over we tell them we wont war either of them untill one of them agrees to war you" Boom thats how a real leader handles things. He could still have gone after koalas or screwd up perverts or even wared for the honor crown with FS/Acention if neither really wanted to war us. Thats how a real leader handles these things.

Quote Originally Posted by beans View Post
We werent scared to war divinity, we just hate long hostiles and are not set up for them and divinity didnt want to short hostile.
In addtion we actually offered u guys a war with ZERO hostile length. The issue we had when u guys initially approached us was we had crappy wpa and a bad spread, that combined with setups meant we had to hostile if we wanted to war you. After we waved for a cf and bart had u guys grow to dealbreak us we were 96k v 92k acres and offered to war u after a 3 days fort prep where we'd give u the button and u could instantly declare. That 4% advantage, the small time we had to pump wpa and slight size adjustments made it a really tough fight but one we were willing to try. Instead we got waved.

If you've never herd either of these things maybe thats my fault for not posting them clearly enough. Maybe its your leaders fault for hiding the on-goings of your kd and its leadership from you. Maybe you have and just don't care in which case i'll make it really clear and summarize our stance.
Your leader shows no remorse outside of not having the top kd back him. He STILL threatens to spend 2 ages just trying to screw over the kds i'm friends with unless we stop hitting you guys. Now as your kds leaders' attitude is not one of sorrow nor provides an indication of attempting to alter his behavior it is very reasonable that we demand as a kd you guys give up something of value, and then demand some terms to ensure this doesn't happen in the future. What is of value to you is honor and war wins. While we cant demand you declare and lose a war on purpose, what we can do is have you surrender a current war or use a button we've been provided while additionally requiring you to lose honor. Alternatively if one or both of those things wont happen because your leader is smart enough (and he is smart just not moral) to doge something we will have to gb/pk people to remove honor as that's all we're left with. If/when you guys would want that to end, we'd THEN want to be compensated for our wasted time by requiring harshly worded "iron clad" cf's with your kd.