Quote Originally Posted by Zauper View Post
Look, fighting over this is dumb:

At the end of the day, KDs helping SS claim that SS is organizing / helping organize it. There is no dumb 'reasonable doubt' as to what is happening.

There is no 'right' to land or honor in utopia -- it's about what you have the capacity to defend. If you choose to acquire lots of honor and don't grow, then yes, a larger kingdom can come along and take your honor. Now, I would say that this is true within reason -- there's a limit to how far a kingdom can reasonably be allowed to push another kingdom. That said, this isn't a conflict between kds that are at the bottom of the charts and are ghettos that are slugging eachother. This is between #1 and #2.

I think it's safe to say that most people would acknowledge that I'm not FS' biggest fan. Obviously I played in ED, and even after that I was close with ED until this age -- and ED and FS were at eachothers throats. There are probably reasons for kds to be mad at FS, and that's fine. Those reasons don't justify breaking an EOA CF, and the justification of 'well, they waved a kd too small to war them' is bull****.
Zauper, I have also not seen justification for for what has happened. But neither have I looked for it. Most people who have beef with FS and allies (you included) know full well what they are like because they have dealt with them first hand. You dont need to fiddle through the specifics of this case and each and every case, you just say 'oh they ****played me before.' Most of these kds that have had first hand experience were (and still are) unorganized and have been unable to respond. This age alone the kd I used to play in was DB'd and hit into an active hostile from FS, which was the last straw that caused us to disband. When kds stop looking at each case in isolation and go on their personal experiences with FS there will be a chance of meaningful resistance. Until that happens history keeps repeating itself.