Gnome Rouge vs Human Rouge

[groover]

Same as my A/M thread.

What's going to be better for a warring kd, we have 25 active provinces. We need some A/T's of course, which will be better at start,mid,end of age.

[DHaran]

I don't like the color red, so I say neither.

[_greenie]

both have their pro's and con's

[groover]

Humans seem to have better economy, better off/def ratio, better science capabilities, lower losses (can use hospitals).

Gnome only seem to have better thievery effec, and pop to begin with, human can catch up with science, QF, and cheap thives/elites, but high losses in battle. They have lost the homes bonus(back to 8), and birth rates blow.

Human just seems better overall?

[Floaters]

Depends if you want the A or T more. No one beats a gnome in thieving, even a human sage. Easier to maintain tpa in a war. They bleed more troops but their leets are dirt cheap to produce. Humans have more attacking power though. 20 percent gains science ftw.

[_greenie]

Humans seem to have better economy, better off/def ratio, better science capabilities, lower losses (can use hospitals).

Gnome only seem to have better thievery effec, and pop to begin with, human can catch up with science, QF, and cheap thives/elites, but high losses in battle. They have lost the homes bonus(back to 8), and birth rates blow.

Human just seems better overall?

http://forums.joltonline.com/showthread.php?t=598302

*shrugs*
and, tbh, that's a pretty poor gnome =)

my pop sci should have been closer to 16-17% =)

[Spheric]

+18% Population Limits (4,707,389 points) :)

[Machiavelli]

Server: WoL
Utopian Date: June 14th, YR9

Ruler name: The Wise Baroness Lady Lady Lady Lady
Personality & Race: Sage, Gnome
Land: 1,732 Acres
Money: 184gc (22,575 raw daily income)
Food: 100,305 bushels
Runes: 50,397 runes
Population: 60,208 citizens (34.76 per acre)
Peasants: 11,270 (80% Building Efficiency)
Trade Balance: -261,515 (0% tax rate)
Networth: 355,261 (205.12 per Acre)
Thieves+Wizards+Science Networth: 76,197gc

Military Effectiveness: 130.8% off / 107.6% def
Soldiers: 17 (76% estimated draft rate)
Halflings: 0 (0 offense)
Pikemen: 16,354 (87,984 defense)
Golems: 22,037 (144,121 offense / 94,847 defense)
War-Horses: 13,500 (up to 17,658 additional offense)
Prisoners: 71 (278 offense)

Total Modified Offense: 162,027 (93.55 per Acre)
Practical (100% elites): 162,027 (93.55 per Acre)
Max Offense (w/ generals): 176,609 (101.97 / Acre)
Total Modified Defense: 182,786 (105.53 per Acre)
Practical (0% elites): 88,003 (50.81 per Acre)

Thieves: 7,215 (4.17 per Acre / 100% Stealth)
Wizards: 3,315 (1.91 per Acre / 100% Mana)

not my own gnome and there can be some improvements here and there, but overall a pretty decent one imo

[groover]

Not too bad Mach, but still im looking for sustainability in war. What was the attack times? Modded wpa? As that would get torn apart in war, you would have no pezzies left if I saw a gnome with that wpa.

Bad TB for a gnome too, should be well high.

All that's beside the point I suppose, ill talking this age coming, not past ages. Things are a little different.

[Machiavelli]

mod wpa was around 3 wpa, not really a wpa every ass could FB, attack time was like 9.5 - 10 hours in war.

And gnomes and Humans haven't changed much.

Personally I like gnome more as an a/t then humans cuz they can far easier get a decent mod tpa, +1 stealth and are easier to get war ready again. but keeping your gnome in a reasonable shape when wars drags over 48 hours is gonna be a tougher job then on your human

[_greenie]

+18% Population Limits (4,707,389 points) :)

Quiet you... Never gonna let me live that down, will you?

[Spheric]

Quiet you... Never gonna let me live that down, will you?

Why? Did you really expect yours to be higher? :P


Regarding the original post, what you should run depends upon your goals and general ability of the kingdom. Providing more information will yield a more accurate answer. There's no reason why you couldn't utilise both in some form, provided you know what you're doing with them.

In any circumstance, Rogue is the correct choice above Sage.

[DHaran]

I run a better Gnome Rogue than Spheric.

[Spheric]

I defecate better provinces.

[Paint]

Not too bad Mach, but still im looking for sustainability in war. What was the attack times? Modded wpa? As that would get torn apart in war, you would have no pezzies left if I saw a gnome with that wpa.

And if you saw a human with that WPA...