Avian Attack Time

[Thundergod]

Is it good and usefull to play AVIAN / Warrior with 10% Rax.. thats -25% + -15% + 12% to 15% ( dependimg on BE) attack time or it is useless for avian warrior to have rax

[Blip]

I personally think it is useless especially if you cannot reliably make an attack every 8 hrs. I always configure my attack times based on war so for avian warrior you get 20% attack time reduction, war phases to 20% reduction and the warrior gives you 15% reduction.
So in war .8 x .8 x .85 x 16 = 8.704hr attack times which is more then short enough imo.

[Thundergod]

If you add up the 10% Rax how much time reduction now?

[Bishop]

assuming 100% be its a 13.56% reduction so from 8.704 down to roughly 7.5 hours

[Magn]

Is it good and usefull to play AVIAN / Warrior with 10% Rax.. thats -25% + -15% + 12% to 15% ( dependimg on BE) attack time or it is useless for avian warrior to have rax

Don't play avian warrior if you're gonna have only 10% barracks. Thats just wasteful.

If you're not gonna aim for 20%+ barracks and an attack time below 8 hours to attack 3 times a day (and thats conservative... to really milk it to its fullest, you want to go for 4 attacks a day... but it will tax you over time, I know it did for me when I played it), I'd say you'd be better off playing something else.

The goal of playing avian warrior is not to save on barrack space, its to achieve attack times that wouldn't be achievable otherwise.

[Ethan]

Getting under 8 hour attack time could be useful if your schedule allows it. (And it's easier on the schedule for many, since you presumably sleep around the same time and for 7 or so hours.) But if you are on a 2 or 2.5X a day setup, don't waste the space.

Don't feel forced to attack as fast as possible just cause you can... your army can wear down mighty quick if you do. But offense at home isn't doing anyone any good, so do try to get as many attacks out as you can.

Remember that, while the low rax % means DBE is working in your favor (at least compared to others), your low natural attack time outweighs this when measured in absolute terms. So rarely do you want rax "just cause" - you want them to hit a specific goal, and no more than that.

Re: 4x a day - not worth it. You'd need such high rax, and high banks/hospitals that you won't be able to put out enough OPA to actually matter much. Unless you can afford to always overdraft, and your kingdom only ever fights min time wars... getting to 4x a day just isn't worth it. 29% Rax alone, if BE is only 100%! 3.5X is the highest you should ever go in normal situations.

The goal of playing avian warrior *is* to save space - both hospitals and rax, so you can put out bigger numbers. Once the space is saved, if the DBE makes it valuable to push attack time down a little farther than normal at the cost of a small bit of raw power - that's just a smaller second order effect. (And don't forget the extra losses for enemies. Another good reason for warrior.) Avian warrior is meant to hit fast... but hard and fast sure beats faster and "limp".

[Magn]

Getting under 8 hour attack time could be useful if your schedule allows it. (And it's easier on the schedule for many, since you presumably sleep around the same time and for 7 or so hours.) But if you are on a 2 or 2.5X a day setup, don't waste the space.

If you are on a 2 to 2.5x setup, don't play avian warrior.

Don't feel forced to attack as fast as possible just cause you can... your army can wear down mighty quick if you do.

Yeah, but the people you are hitting at that rate will wear down a lot faster than your armies.

There are multiple mitigation tactics you can use to stretch your army, starting with a good econ and also asking for AID (especially valid if your KD has DEs).

Later in the war, replacing some elites with off specs is also a viable alternative (the off specs are weaker, but most of the opposition will be hurting too).

Remember that, while the low rax % means DBE is working in your favor (at least compared to others), your low natural attack time outweighs this when measured in absolute terms. So rarely do you want rax "just cause" - you want them to hit a specific goal, and no more than that.

Obviously, you want to get the racks to get a special "attack time" goal that will allow you to hit Y times per day (where you determine Y).

Re: 4x a day - not worth it. You'd need such high rax, and high banks/hospitals that you won't be able to put out enough OPA to actually matter much. Unless you can afford to always overdraft, and your kingdom only ever fights min time wars... getting to 4x a day just isn't worth it. 29% Rax alone, if BE is only 100%! 3.5X is the highest you should ever go in normal situations.

A well organized kingdom that has a sizeable number of players hitting 4 times per day will tend to get short wars.

Crushing the opposition outright it a perfectly viable tactic as long as the leadership has the know-how to pull it off.

A high OPA is good, but with good op support, it doesn't matter as much as people might think.

The goal of playing avian warrior *is* to save space - both hospitals and rax, so you can put out bigger numbers. Once the space is saved, if the DBE makes it valuable to push attack time down a little farther than normal at the cost of a small bit of raw power - that's just a smaller second order effect. (And don't forget the extra losses for enemies. Another good reason for warrior.) Avian warrior is meant to hit fast... but hard and fast sure beats faster and "limp".

If you are playing avian warrior stricly for land efficiency hitting less than 3 times per day, strongly consider human shepherd/sage instead.

If you're avian and hitting exactly thrice per day, you'll have strong competition from avian shepherds and sages aiming for a similar attack rate (in late age, sage will simply be better, period).