Change Undead

[E_Boko]

ok here is the problem

Your forces arrive at TheBigFatLand (xx:xx). A tough battle took place, but we have managed a victory! Your army has taken 21 acres! 7 acres of buildings survived and can be refitted to fit our needs. We also gained 212 specialist training credits. Taking full control of your new land will take 14.37 days, and will be available on June 15 of YR6.
452 of your specialists have been promoted to elites. We killed about 183 enemy troops. We also imprisoned 49 additional troops in our Dungeons.
Our forces will be available again in 14.37 days (on June 15 of YR6).

1) i am over 270K and he is 170K in NW.
2) my kingdom is over 4 times his kingdom's size
3) i sent out 4905 off specs and i alrdy have 6K leets

why would i ever hit "ideal" targets to convert leets when i can get better conversion for less acres by bottom feeding? almost 10% with all that oor calcs?

undead have to be changed so that conversion on ideal targets actually matters to avoid this bottom feeding nonsense. hitting a province in range woulda netted me about 200 acres and i would have maybe converted 15% at best. the numbers dont add up and it makes it unfair to all the ppl stuck in tiny ghettos.

[Yadda9To5]

Undead as a whole is rather game breaking, the whole concept of them makes it beneficial to not defend you land, and be happy to get attacked (if you're attacked too much, gb prot saves you), which is the exact opposide of the rest of the races, i suppose you might call this variety, i think it's also why they disappear from the game every now and then.

In a perverse way i suppose it's fun to attack the best defended target you can find just to convert elites, but it's plain weird that undeads have to search for targets with high dpa to break.

[Hallo]

Truthfully, almost any race can benefit from pumping up from a higher acreage and then being hit back down. The problem with undead lies more along the lines that the only thing they care about is their elites... and with army in army out it's hard to kill those precious elites.

Conversions are, of course, completely broken. Undead just rampaging across the server, hitting people with army home to get those conversions. You can't really retal against them, sci is practically worthless, acres need to be lost (Other than ambushing... except they can do more damage to you than a few elite kills will do to them).

[E_Boko]

i think you both missed the point that undead dont have to look for ppl with high def. they dont have to look for ideal targets at all. im getting great conversion by bottomfeeding ppl. i mean whats better, that i convert 600 specs and gain 200 acres or convert 400 specs with 20 acres. and thats a rhetorical question. the latter is much better.

[Bishop]

your conversion should have been crap though - ill poke someone tomorrow morning.

[Magn]

I don't think UD is imbalanced.

I'm in a challenging war and struggling to get a good elite ratio.

You have to keep your armies out constantly or suffer from attacks and MS.

And even if they are out, you'll still have problems with NS and gangbang releases.

And then, there is growth...

[E_Boko]

thats the problem bish. i SHOULD have had crap conversion but i didnt. 9.1% with all those oor numbers.

[John Snowstorm]

whats better, that i convert 600 specs and gain 200 acres or convert 400 specs with 20 acres. and thats a rhetorical question. the latter is much better.

I lol'd.

[E_Boko]

i knew someone was gonna troll so i had to get at it first.

[John Snowstorm]

just so we're clear, saying;

600 elites + 200 acres > 400 elites + 20 acres

is trolling?

subtle reverse troll is moderately successful.

8/10.

[E_Boko]

sigh...lol

the system is still broken.

[SirVanir]

It'll be a change for next age, lol