FWr is important part from game not abuse rules (don't reply DHaran). New age with new relation sistem will be huge mess. Its very unclear how ot make it to work proper. Situations when ppl use FWr is main when they are in disadvantage and need to run. New age when its forbidden will be age on FARMING. Good KDs can adapt to all situation when its part from rules, this will hurt main weaker kds.
Sorry for double post, you posted while I was typing a responce :POriginally Posted by DHaran
I understand what your saying, what about the situation of being attacked (bottom feeding as example) and they feel it isn't going against the spirit of the rules, at least not when you consider they was being "bullied"?
I understand that there will be less gains for heavily hit/ non retalling blah blah to help stop it from happening but will it stop it from happening? I hope so but I dont know.
Also what if a person didn't feel like it was against the spirit of the game? When it isn't said then what is the spirit? How do we know we have the "right spirit"?
It's using a mechanic for something other than intended, I know you can read that and understand what it means Elit. Just because it's always been used, or even needed, does not mean it isn't an abuse.
There are mechanics in place to help defend against bottomfeeding, which makes it fair and in line with the intentions of the game. There is nothing illegal about attacking another province, of any size for any reason. The key words are "not intended" and fake wars are using mechanics intended for real ones, it's that simple.
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"in ways obviously not intended "
war gives you added bonus to attacking a kingdom.
war gives you added penalty to attacks from other kingdoms.
seems like going into war to gain bonus for not taking hits from other kingdoms is not abusing game mechanics. otherwise war wouldn't be as effective.
Last edited by Nuriho; 20-10-2011 at 17:08. Reason: changed bonus to pentalty for oow hits
You just described a mechanic designed to deter interference in another kingdom's conflict. There is no conflict in fake war. The intention behind those mechanics is not to hide from everyone else, it's to protect you while in a legitimate war.
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just because it has both doesn't mean you have to use both.
that's like saying you abuse mystic personality by never using MS
it seems you have a different view of the intentions of the stuff. but where does it ever state the intention of wars? not in wiki, not in rules. in wiki it says how to get into war. it gives benefits and penalties. to me, that means i can go into war for whichever reasons i want to .-.
Last edited by Nuriho; 20-10-2011 at 17:28. Reason: "intention"
@DHaran
What would you say the difference between a sci pump in a FW (sages) and undeads leet pumping in a FW?
Yes the undeads would be trading attacks but are they not both fakes?
If not then why?
Just because of attacks that are happening?
If so then would you say it is ok to "war" with all provs having 0 def and just sending a few troops for trad marches somewhat equally (land exchange) while having a build for a sci pump and altimatly being a fake war?
Just curious on the different scenerio's which could happen to avoid detection and the way it could mainly effect ghettos rather then the organised kds, would that be fair?
Arguing with someone like you is impossible because you make ridiculously illogical and pointless statements and use it as evidence to back up your incorrect belief.
War stance, and its benefits, were designed for conflict between 2 kingdoms. There is no conflict in FW, the mechanics are not being used as intended, it is an abuse. It can not be made an more clear than that. If you want to continue making irrelevant comments and refuse to accept that absolute truth, then sorry, can't help you.war/w?r/
Verb:
Engage in a war.
Noun:
A state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.
Synonyms:
verb. fight - combat - battle
noun. battle - fight - struggle - combat - strife - conflict
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So can I assume you would agree with what I said, "Just because of attacks that are happening".?
I do not believe this is irrelevent as you put it as it can clearly effect players, undeads could get a great bonus in using "fake wars" to pump elites and make themselves stronger, no more than a "training exercise". That is not a war.
UD elite conversion, as well as honor whoring, could generate a few questions this age as to what is actionable. But just sitting in a FW with another kingdom to avoid a conflict or pump or something like that, obviously that's a no-no now.
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just to clarify: it was not a no-no before?
You gave the definition of the word war, but does not broach on Mystics never using MS. Would that be abuse, since it's in their definition, essentially? Wars have the bonus where people get enhanced attacks vs a kd and penalties from kds attacking them. Choosing one of them only and saying you cannot do wars solely for that reason, logic dictates that you cannot use Mystics personality solely for one reason, you need to incorporate all otherwise it's abuse. According to what you are saying, DHaran. L2Logics
if it's not abuse, then just defining the word war does not make war in game clearly defined. After all, all is fair in love and war, right? If it's not clearly defined, how can you claim that they are using it in ways that are not obviously intended? No definition = nothing obvious.
just to make more clear from what you've said, DHaran, and why it doesn't make sense:
"War stance, and its benefits, were designed for conflict between 2 kingdoms."
It's stated nowhere that it was designed for that.
If my conflict in general is to get to the top, and a war to reduce attacks on me is available, why should I not use that tool? It is in no way obvious abuse.
Last edited by Nuriho; 20-10-2011 at 18:29.
There is no abuse in not using MS, you have no point there. That's like saying its an abuse to NOT war, only because it's available. Logic ftw.
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I agree, would be nice to see a mods view on this I think ^.^
Without telling us exactly they can avoid people working out how to avoid the abuse so I can kinda see some logic in not telling us exactly how it'll be done but it doesn't stop me being curious and wanting to know :P
stop nitpicking. If you think for one second that fake war is not an abuse then try it next age and see what happens.
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