New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[ForumMan]

Well after reading all these questions and responses, I will not be putting further money into this game.

Loki, your situation is understandable. Working in IT, I'm not impressed with the implementation....sorry guys. no more money from my pockets.

[Archers_Bane]

This is the worst way about going to try and catch cheaters.

There are couples/brothers/sisters/friends living under the same roof who are active, and understand the game well enough to know that targeting the same person for ops/attacks is the key to winning wars. They are on IRC and interact with everyone and have no need in help running their own province, very much like everyone else playing Utopia, yet they just share an IP address. Why should they suffer the consequences of this obvious fail change. I enjoy teaming up with my kingdom who are from all over the world to provide the maximum hurt on a few provinces, and now you are implementing a change for the people who actually have fun together in real life doing this...and I know for sure that they are loyal players of this game to want to play it together in the same kingdom. You are hurting the people who have enjoyed and played your game probably longer than you and I have probably. Worst possible strategy ever.

And please Bishop don't tell me that the solution for this is to go find another target and that it is the easy way to adapt this change. Unless the people in question have less than 50 IQ and playing this game then it should be fine...Everyone competent knows that focusing on a province(s) with ops and attacks is the key to success. Much to the spread of MS/Greed/Riots would further destroy this system.

This system is fail, and you have been only replying to the people posting here that can be given easy and obvious answers. Man up and face the fact that this system is flawed more than it will provide help to ending the cheating and even increase the need and want to proxy or some other form of cheating to want to help play this game of yours. This is a step in the wrong direction.

[Bishop]

Lets clear same stuff up, because this thread is deteriorating horribly and there are some very bad assumptions being made.

First - sitting. When you sit someone that province inherits your IP - for all intents and purposes they are you. Since you don't get blocked interacting with yourself (har har) you will not be blocked interacting with your sat province. If you are blocked from interacting with province C then so will a province you sit.

Second - its ok to xlog your partner. I almost fell off my chair reading this (well, i scowled a bit). It is not OK, not in the slightest.

Third - this wont fix any issues. As someone that has dealt with support for a long time now I can assure you this will address a major problem we have.

Forth - i can make a multi and not interact. We aren't stupid :/ we still log all provinces/account activity and can investigate them.

Five - This cripples couples. Not really, we've been tracking the interactions for a month and we know that the effect is minimal. It takes minor adjustments to facilitate couples in a kingdom.

Six - You didn't tell us this would happen! We did I'm afraid, we had a link on your throne room for a month.

Let me know if i missed something.

[Scavenger]

....sorry guys. no more money from my pockets.

I hope you were a cheater adressing his kd mates with that line :)
Hehe... yeah I should probably stop posting now...

[Archers_Bane]

Five - This cripples couples. Not really, we've been tracking the interactions for a month and we know that the effect is minimal. It takes minor adjustments to facilitate couples in a kingdom.

Let me know if i missed something.

You missed the fact that couples/brothers/sisters/friends playing this game understand how to play this game as well. You just merely cant allow them to deter away from the KNOWN Utopia strategy of chaining a province, blanketing MS/Greed/Riots, or just NS/FB the hell out of an easy target. Wtf, they are now at a huge disadvantage from the widely, if not only, strategy used in game...

[Eus]

Explain how 2 players with the ability to legally xlog was ever fair to non-couples. The funny thing about angry crowds is that they are generally unreasonable and irrational.

Your logic is irrational. This is a team game. Obviously there are still individuals which can't get into a good team and thinks everything is province vs province. It's not "me against him", it's "us against them". If they find someone that xlogs all the provinces in his kingdom - they should delete him, but FFS why force couples of either playing in different kingdoms, cheating or quitting, because they fail in catching cheaters? Stopping two people in a kingdom from interacting with each other wouldn't stop farming and cheating. I am not against that change, I am against the change for people in the same kingdom, for the group effort. Other then that, I agree that it could help in reducing the farming and the creation of farms as a whole. Try to think about this for a while, maybe you'll finally understand our position.....

cheating of course still occur ... it almost blindly undetectable ... I have experience it against a lot of kd .... mostly in the mid-tier kd ... the top have been cleanse from their old habit and have been pure legit since the trading been openly accepted.

=) I hope that clear it up for ya =)

That's bull**** and you know that. Top kingdoms are as legit as they have always been, but that's a discussion for another thread.

[DHaran]

Watch the language. And Dark Azn's statement was pretty accurate from my experience, most cheating is in mid-level kds now, as (most) top kds have no reason to cheat with sitting available and enough friends to get whatever intel they want.

[loki EQ]

Bishop,

Second - its ok to xlog your partner. I almost fell off my chair reading this (well, i scowled a bit). It is not OK, not in the slightest.

I think you have misunderstood our point. It is not okay to xlog your partner. That is cheating. Our point though is that gains from this form of restriction don't outweigh the costs, so it fails a cost-benefit analysis. Therefore, it is not worthy of pursuing in its current form from a business perspective.

Five - This cripples couples. Not really, we've been tracking the interactions for a month and we know that the effect is minimal. It takes minor adjustments to facilitate couples in a kingdom.

My entire kingdom's strategy is affected for the worse. In organized kingdoms, couples are basically being forced out of the same kingdom. Meanwhile, you're racking up fees that I don't feel we should be incurring. You claim I am sorry out of luck because you had a link posted on my throne page. Guess what? I don't read half of those links! That's the consequence of crowding the links on the throne page with stuff that isn't newsworthy. I stop caring what you put there, and I stop checking them because I have no responsibility to check them. If you want to pull the I should have looked card, then you should have put it in the tos or something for which I was responsible for keeping up with revisions. Frankly, that reasoning is farcical and like adding insult to injury.

Let me know if i missed something.

What action will be taken to prevent moderators from being condescending and rude to paying customers seeking customer support on these forums? If no action is planned, does that mean you condone their behavior in your absence? Would it be possible to have the rude individuals apologize to myself and these other fine players in this thread?

Thanks.

[Bishop]

You missed the fact that couples/brothers/sisters/friends playing this game understand how to play this game as well. You just merely cant allow them to deter away from the KNOWN Utopia strategy of chaining a province, blanketing MS/Greed/Riots, or just NS/FB the hell out of an easy target. Wtf, they are now at a huge disadvantage from the widely, if not only, strategy used in game...

The partner hits chain 2 is the solution.

[ForumMan]

I hope you were a cheater adressing his kd mates with that line :)
Hehe... yeah I should probably stop posting now...

I agree.

[DHaran]

What action will be taken to prevent moderators from being condescending and rude to paying customers seeking customer support on these forums? If no action is planned, does that mean you condone their behavior in your absence? Would it be possible to have the rude individuals apologize to myself and these other fine players in this thread?

Thanks.

There's a difference between rude responses and responses that you don't like the answer to. I'm sorry if you feel like it's been condescending, but we are simply trying to point out the realities of what this system does and why it's needed.

[Palem]

why force couples of either playing in different kingdoms, cheating or quitting, because they fail in catching cheaters?

You're assuming they HAVE to cheat to play well. They don't. If your kd is so stubborn with holding on to a 25 player chain and not understanding the circumstances that you and your spouse (or whatever) can't target the same guy, then your kd is making you leave, not the devs. I might be more sympathetic if 25 player chaining (or anything that really falls into the category "forcing" couples to quit) was somehow vastly superior to any and all other strategies, but it's not.

Utopia is a strategy game and the whole fun of a strategy game is when you need to change your strategy. Couples can still play together, you can still coordinate together, you can still have fun and you can still be successful. You just can't be glorified x-loggers.

[Landro]

The partner hits chain 2 is the solution.

So you would force us to spread hits just because your detection system is set up that way.

Case 1
2 players. One is T/M, the other Heavy attacker. The T/M has just blanketed the most dangerous provinces with Riots and MS. The other is asked to attack one of them because that's the first chain. He can't because his brother just did some ops. Good way to destroy teamwork.

Case 2
2 players. One is Faerie (the only one and there are no UD), the other is Elf. The Elf FB's a prov and asks for Chast. Oops! The game won't allow it.

These are just 2 examples of how these new rules will undermine teamwork.

[Bishop]

So you would force us to spread hits just because your detection system is set up that way.

Case 1
2 players. One is T/M, the other Heavy attacker. The T/M has just blanketed the most dangerous provinces with Riots and MS. The other is asked to attack one of them because that's the first chain. He can't because his brother just did some ops. Good way to destroy teamwork.

Case 2
2 players. One is Faerie (the only one and there are no UD), the other is Elf. The Elf FB's a prov and asks for Chast. Oops! The game won't allow it.

These are just 2 examples of how these new rules will undermine teamwork.

We are well aware of that - that is the reason we told you in freeze this was going ahead, so you could make sure you avoided both those cases.

[loki EQ]

You completely dismissed the point we made assuming we failed to comprehend your argument. You didn't even consider our point. You then complained you had to break it into simpler terms for us to understand it. You then very simply reiterated your previous point. This exemplifies condescension. Can you really not understand how your behavior was offensive? I pointed it out to you ffs, but you kept on responding personally. You accused us of being "irrational and unreasonable," wasn't it?

Multiple people have responded how rude the responses me and my fellow poster have received from you. They don't think it is good customer service, because it is adversarial and personal and mean. It isn't good business to make the face of your business someone who is adversarial and mean. If you can't see how you have been rude; then you aren't just a rowdy moderator, you're genuinely delusional.