I'm confused why the notion keeps being stated as absolute fact that it is IMPOSSIBLE to play in the same kd with a family member now, which is quite ridiculous. The system has been on for half a day and you want to state facts about what is and isn't possible for the entire server without even taking the time to work it out.
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Byakuya, it is really much worse than you think. In private it has been made clear to me that I am unreasonable here, the pain my kingdom suffers is somehow my fault, and that apparently the behavior that has upset 3 - 4 random strangers here is perfectly fine. They apparently don't even notice the abrasive responses they are making. They don't see anything wrong with how they have conducted themselves. In fact, he suggested I was emotional and needed a break. I found it all to be very disingenuous.
Really this has turned into a very disrespectful communication with their clients. It infuriates me. They're not interested in being educated on proper public relations. They're going to half-fast it their way. There is only one way to teach people like this, and that's through exemplification. I'm going to recovered whatever money I have stored with these pricks, and I intend to never give them another dime for this game or any other they run again in my life. This is why you don't treat clients like you have treated me. There are plenty of other ****ty game companies that will shut up and take my money without all the attitude.
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"So if this does help catch cheaters, great. For the kingdoms who have couples, I'd love to war you because thats one more province I don't have to worry about =) In all seriousness though, I feel bad for you guys, because the devs and mods apparently don't see the significant disadvantage this puts you at."
Yea you would be loving us right now. One was a chain target and now he can't even attack to get land... yay he is fish food. So what is he going to do explore? Joy…
To those who ask, “in war time when provinces ban together to chain or op the same target for a specific goal, it wont be allowed?”
Answer- Nope you can’t do crap. I am a t/m and he is an attacker. Once I do an op or he does and attack we can no longer do anything to the other province.
So basically:
The aid part is kind of lame to begin with. Just send it to someone else and then they send it to the other person in your house. So nothing fixed there.
People that knew how to cheat to begin with still can. So nothing fixed there.
So who suffers? People who quit this game discovered they could have fun with friends and family finally! So we come back to play and now we can't even play a decent war? We have to tiptoe around each other so that we can do anything in war? I don't care what you say about learning how to play separate roles... It makes playing together next to pointless. It puts the players at such a disadvantage as I am currently learning.
Yea I am sure some people who whitelisted abused the system, but punishing those who did not? If you had cheaters before whitelisting... Then you know what? You'll still have them.
Plus seeing Bishops attitude towards anyone that has an opinion that doesn't agree with him. Lame. I can't believe how you treat the people who play this game. Especially if people are paying money. Personally I wouldn't drop a penny on this game anymore.
You can check me I don't care. I played this game fairly and I am so frustrated that I can't play with my family anymore.
Don’t worry I already see anyone’s input that involves keeping whitelisting is going to fall on deaf ears. Your decision has been made. Those who whitelisted are all cheaters and log in for each other, learn to play at a disadvantage.
There you get your wish! Thanks to this I no longer really want to play. I had fun playing with my family while it lasted though :)
The system was not put in place to prevent whitelist abuse, it was put in to prevent large scale cheating by interaction of provinces at the same IP.
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I don't think u guys understand how many people play with phones and tabs alone.. I will say give this a few weeks and if it effects us, that use our phones from interacting you'll see the number of poeple playing be cut in half
Playing from a proxy by phone could get you deleted before and has already been an issue, at least now you know it's a problem and can fix it before it comes to that.
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Ok, so I am going to be directly affected by these changes as my wife plays in the same kingdom as I do(we are currently white listed). She is an elf/sage and I am a faery/sage. I have a few questions that I would like to have answered.
1) If I am spreading meteors on the opposing kingdom we are warring, what would be the time limit for her to hit a province that I have put meteors on? It hasn't directly helped her in any way. If I were to put pitfalls on a target for her, that would be a direct help and I can understand that. Would she not be able to hit any province that I put meteors on? So after a few hours and I have meteors on every province, she cant hit anyone in their kingdom?
2) Bishop posted earlier that there would have to be adjustments to kingdoms strategies to have couples playing in the same kingdom. Could he (or anyone) elaborate on this. What kind of strategies or options do we have.
3) If I aid another province in the kingdom and they in turn send it to her, is that going to be flagged as cheating? Can we both aid a province within our kingdom?
If it is going to get too complicated, than I think that Nancy and I will be quitting. A lot of people know us on IRC, Messenger and in these forums, if it is going to get too complicated and we cant enjoy the game together, then its time to call it quits. We just finished a 7 day war and won, this was the first war win for our kingdom in almost 2 ages! If we cant enjoy this together, we will probably find some other game that we can enjoy together.
Please help us with our options... Thank you.
DHaran. Get OUT OF THE STONE AGE. People use cells. Most of the people that started playing this game and I GUARANTEE THE MAJORITY THAT STILL DO are now out working in professional fields and some of those jobs require them to travel. SO NOW are you INSINUATING oh so SUBTLY that THEY will be punished as well?
Quit being TART DHARAN. I dig the name but geeze. You are ostracizing a large portion of your community.
You pretty much posted the solution to the problem right here - bring back whitelisting.Originally Posted by DHaran
Do you really not see how it can create problems? They can play, sure, but only limitedly.
It is a fact that this is causing problems for people, and it is a fact that people will leave over this.
Let me put this simply. This change prevents people from doing things that they would normally be able to do. Can they possibly make it work? Yes, but it will take a lot of effort and it will end up being less than optimal. From what I'm hearing/seeing, it's far less than optimal, but I'm trying to stick to the facts here.
Reptar in Paris - Ball So Hard Babies Try to Find Me
Summer 2013
TO PALEM AND ALL DEVS/MODERATORS:
1. Complaint:
In fact those stupid enough to be honest and whitelisted their wife/husband ( my son in my case, gggrr, all those having teen at home know how it can be hard to SHARE something with them)) are surely punished ...cheaters, I'm not that sure.
Response:
"Counter example: Someone gives you 3 candy bars. Later that day, they realize they gave you too many, and take one away. Did you get punished? No, you have two candy bars that you didn't have yesterday."
Two Cents from Your Community:
- Bad choice of answer. This relates to people who were already in. What about the people who actually rejoined Utopia because this option was made viable so people could legitimately play together. ALSO consider THIS: SEVERAL PEOPLE PAID SO THEY COULD BE IN THE SAME KINGDOM. Consider it well.
- Never quote philosophy. Philosophers will tell you the one thing that no professor will profess. They know nothing. This quote is terrible and does NOT fit with this situation.
2. Complaint:
you're wrong. To sean and brian eveyone is cheaters. there are no honest players. so it's a lose lose
Response:
"You're wrong. Don't speak on behalf of the devs. They don't speak on your behalf."
Two Cents from Your Community:
-PR Mistake Number Two. Never tell your clients, the ones who allow for this game to happen this
ONE
SIMPLE
THING
And it is an EASY rule to follow as well as a TERRIBLE rule to break:
- Never, under any circumstance, tell the client(s) that they (US) are WRONG! Ever. A business quote to take for heart, because "It makes Cents"
- As to the matter of them speaking for us. That's what the Devs did. Deny it how you may try.
3. Complaint:
"Could the mods do everyone a favor? Please, please stop acting like you're always right. This isn't an argument. People are simply stating that this makes it impossible to play with your sig other or roomate. This is a fact."
Response:
"That is not a fact that is an opinion. It's very much possible to play as a couple. You don't want to take the extra effort to make that happen and that's your choice. That said, I'm more than open to the possibility of being wrong, with the provision that the said parties actually provide good solid evidence and not biased, rage-induced opinions."
Two Cents from Your Community:
- In order to successfully play as a warring kingdom (or any kingdom for that matter), and as a person wanting the full experience of the game with some one else, you cannot have Limiters on that block play. Aid to each other is blocked, if both people live in the same house and are attackers, you cannot both be a part of a chain during a war. To ANY top leading Kingdoms I would ask, "Do you win wars by chaining?" I guarantee the top warring kingdoms, every last one of them, chain to make their effective wins. Exceptional disadvantage during war times for kingdoms that may have more than two or three couples playing in one kingdom, especially with regards to a respective kingdom of the same size.
- What could be an even and FUN war turns into a nightmare for the kingdom with couples. We have one whitelist APPROVED duo in my kingdom (spending HUNDREDS OF DOLLARS TO YOU so THINK!) that is already suffering due to the sudden implementation. The kingdom that we are warring, and that of which HAD the upper hand, I fear is suffering due to multiple WL'ers in their kingdom.
- Money being handed to this site for whitelisting in the same kingdom: Fact enough? There will be a lot of heat for this change. Also a fact.
4. Complaint:
"It seems that I am blocked from attacking anyone I hit previously, because technically "someone" from my IP (aka me) hit them in the past few hours. Thus, I cannot chain anyone, because I can't send more than one attack on a province...."
Response:
"Some people have reported early bugs with the system. Apologies for any inconvience that these bugs cause while they're working out the kinks."
Two Cents from Your Community:
- It's hard work trying to prevent honest players from playing and yes we are angry.
5. Complaint:
"The outcome of this doesn't really concern me as my KD doesn't have any couples or roomates, however there are no advantages a couple playing in the same KD would have, that non couple KDs do not. The arguement doesn't make sense. If we were talking 10 years ago then yes, there would be major advantages. I have half the people in my KD's phone numbers, the other half I have their email addresses. Half of those people's email messages get delivered directly to their phones nowadays. When my KD gets waved, we send out txts and emails. When we attack, we send txts and emails to t/ms to cast pitfalls, ns, or bg. Communication is so easy these days, its basically like being in the same room with them. I have a KD mate who lives in Indonesia and I live in the US. If he wants to attack and needs a pitfalls cast, he sends me a txt, and halfway across the world I get that msg instantly. I see no advantage that legit couples, roomates, or families have over anyone who cares enough about the game to pick up a phone."
Response:
"Not every kd has such connectivity with their kd-mates. The rules need to be universal. It would be wrong to assume that every kd should require that kind of connection with their players."
Two Cents from Your Community:
- This method solves this how....? Same connectivity? Get with the times. Most of the people that do play this have other methods of communicating. I'll let you in on a little secret: Why did Steve Jobs remove the Apple I from the cafeteria at work? Because holding onto the past cripples you and prevents you from reaching the future. This does not prevent people from texting each other. And another little secret... if they have internet, they can have Skype or ICQ. It is only blocking progression of the game to the future. Without progression, there is only regression.
6. Complaint:
I think what needs to be said (maybe it will help coming from someone who is not all worked up over this) is that now couples, roomates, etc now have an unfair disadvantage, compared to everyone else.
Response:
"It's impossible to say whether or not this is too disadvantageous for couples without fully knowing how long that other person will be blocked for. Right now I'm assuming the prov will be blocked off for a fair amount of time. If that's not the case and you're blocked for interacting for like 3 days or something like that, yes I'd be inclined to agree that it's too much and not fair."
Two Cents from Your Community:
- It is EXTREMELY detrimental to current kingdoms warring right now. Even wars are toppled. This takes Utopia back to Dial-Up. Back to the future.
ALL OF THAT SAID. I sincerely appreciate the time that you all devote to the game as well as the forums. The fact of the matter at hand is that you are LOSING PAYING customers. Cheaters wont bother paying I assure you. Whitelisting WAS legitimate but now it is seriously as I have put it, ****listing. I would rather Cheat and **** than "donate" another dollar at this point. This is a disgusting and terrible way to handle a problem such as cheating. What, do people not "report it" now? Easy to manually delete those provinces. This game has been dying. Adding the whitelist option opened this game up to growth. Putting a limiter on it puts it back to dying. Not just IMO. Delete these messages from the people that make this beloved game possible only helps to further run off massive amounts of players.
Soon, all that will be left are the cheaters sitting in a dark room, drinking mountain dew and eating stale pizza.
P.S. All of our opinions are FACTS to any business owner. Without clients, there is no business. Try and say that there are other games out there. Beauty of capitalism is that there are.
P.S.P.S. DHaran You failed to address a single point.
And to the money comment by Golden:
I see what you are saying. They are just too blind to realize that they are cutting off their arms. Destroy the fan base, destroy the game. No game. No money.
Why is aid blocked? Seems silly.
Also is it cool with you mods if i make a second account and don't have them directly interact?
this game is no longer family friendly :(
it is family unfriendly :(
I just want the whitelisting to go back. I only came back to play with my family. I am NOT whitelisted. I have no need because I live by myself. However, my family is what brought me back to this game. I played for MANY ages and went by many many names.
My first : Gelblin (AGE 3), then others ;Jekyll, Mr. Hyde, Soul Society, Patriarch Byakuya, Grimmjow.
I have gone by countless other names in between. My reason for quitting this game is because I hated random'ing and being separated from players I had grown fond of. I came back only because I could play with who I wanted to: Invite system and Whitelisting.
Taking out Whitelisting's openness (which was supposed to be a rigorous system to be approved right?) and placing a dunce cap has ruined the game (again) for me and for my famz and friends.
Last edited by Byakuya; 03-12-2011 at 06:42.
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