New Anticheat Measure Going Live Today

[Nuriho]

@Nuriho - Cheaters are deleted. Have you been deleted? Then you're not a cheater.

According to sean and brian I am a cheater who hasn't been caught yet.
Or are you telling me that 100% of those who cheat get deleted in a timely fashion? Because the way you say it, as soon as I start cheating, I'd be deleted. Obviously since there's 7k provinces still in the game, this is not the case. It's to prevent cheaters (of a very tiny scale?) from cheating by assuming everyone is a cheater. Hence, everyone is a cheater in the eyes of the devs.

lol@korp

[Bishop]

Bans are being handed out for personal attacks and flaming, keep it civil please.

According to sean and brian I am a cheater who hasn't been caught yet.
Or are you telling me that 100% of those who cheat get deleted in a timely fashion? Because the way you say it, as soon as I start cheating, I'd be deleted. Obviously since there's 7k provinces still in the game, this is not the case. It's to prevent cheaters (of a very tiny scale?) from cheating by assuming everyone is a cheater. Hence, everyone is a cheater in the eyes of the devs.

lol@korp

Actually the devs think the best of everyone. In no way are they saying everyone is a cheater, cop yourself on.

[Joker1975]

For the Last time people, the system does not stop Ops from INTERFERING WITH ATTACKS, proven already. It only STOPS multiple ATTACKS not ATTACK+Ops

It does interfere with ALL ops. An earlier post in this forum confirmed that and I confirmed it when I tried to do a retal on a guy that my daughter had put PF's on earlier in the day since he was our chain target. I was going to ambush his double tap on me but got Access Denied.

[Bishop]

all interactions should be blocked, thanks for letting us know.

[FinalFantasyWorld]

It does interfere with ALL ops. An earlier post in this forum confirmed that and I confirmed it when I tried to do a retal on a guy that my daughter had put PF's on earlier in the day since he was our chain target. I was going to ambush his double tap on me but got Access Denied.

That conflicts with my kd where I had one of the pairs MS PF etc etc on a prov before the other attacked with perfectly fine success

Also a million intel ops have crossed paths, no problem here ( i know a million is exaggerating)

[Bishop]

That conflicts with my kd where I had one of the pairs MS PF etc etc on a prov before the other attacked with perfectly fine success

They could just have different IPs you know, but we will check it out.

[khronosschoty]

Well, that would be like saying "You're blocked from cheating now (except in war)!"

I thought having more then one account or having someone I know log in and play my account was against the rules? I did not know targetting the same target as people I know was cheating. I've grown to know everyone in my kingdom, albeit, I have never met any of them in person, I talk with them over MSN, IRC and other networks, and, even, play other online games with some of them.

While I can understand why these measures have been put in place, how does two provinces who are interactive with each other constitute cheating? Is interacting via phone with other players cheating? is using IRC with other players cheating? I thought the only flaw in the old White list system was that two players sharing the same IP could log into each others account, and, no one would know if they were actually logging into each others account -- because the system was taking their actions at their word -- that is, they were trusting that they would not perform those actions deemed against the rules. ------> Now since when did effecting the same target or being able to send aid to each other actually mean they were cheating? LOL now that I think about this -- you have in no way stopped cheating. I do not share any IPs with anyone, but, if I did: you would not have stopped me: I could still send aid to other people, by way, of others in my Kingdom; okay now, (maybe) you stopped me from targeting the same target, but, all you did stop: was me from performing a legal operation, am I wrong?

[Bishop]

I thought having more then one account or having someone I know log in and play my account was against the rules? I did not know targetting the same target as people I know was cheating. I've grown to know everyone in my kingdom, albeit, I have never met any of them in person, I talk with them over MSN, IRC and other networks, and, even, play other online games with some of them.

While I can understand why these measures have been put in place, how does two provinces who are interactive with each other constitute cheating? Is interacting via phone with other players cheating? is using IRC with other players cheating? I thought the only flaw in the old White list system was that two players sharing the same IP could log into each others account, and, no one would know if they were actually logging into each others account -- because the system was taking their actions at their word -- that is, they were trusting that they would not perform those actions deemed against the rules. ------> Now since when did effecting the same target or being able to send aid to each other actually mean they were cheating? LOL now that I think about this -- you have in no way stopped cheating. I do not share any IPs with anyone, but, if I did: you would not have stopped me: I could still send aid to other people, by way, of others in my Kingdom; okay now, (maybe) you stopped me from targeting the same target, but, all you did stop: was me from performing a legal operation, am I wrong?

You seem to be missing a key element - only same IP interactions are blocked.

[Scavenger]

The flaw with whitelisting was that there was no way to tell whether the whitelister was just another low profile multi running two provs. You'd still need to check up on them.

There's no problem in letting someone else send aid to, take intel for or make the hit for the IP sharers. A unique IP can do the same.

The sitters issue seems real but tbh that is abuse of the system. Comparable with VM abuse. Imo.

[Ryshad]

Here is $10 for some credits - let me sit 'my friends' account - thank you, I can now run 2 provinces unhindered. How is that NOT a huge advantage? How is that NOT cheating? Oh don't bother answering I will do it for you --- I paid to do it, that makes it legal in the eyes of the developers an the mods.

I am currently trying to do as suggested an work around having a married couple in my kingdom. We are in the middle of Hostile an heading to war. So my active T/M, seeing the other kingdom waved us an started a dragon, took the initiative an stole a little gold to fund our own dragon, hit a couple elves for runes an gathered the intel on all the enemy. Guess what - my largest attacker can't attack for what ... 3 days? Yea, sounds like this system totally makes it even.
Oh, guess what .... the guy in the other kingdom that is sitting his buddies province an working them both simultaneously, he don't have those issues. And you are going to sit here an tell me this is a GOOD solution to the problem of cheating? Why don't you quit trying to justify the bad decisions of the developers and, instead, help them FIX the problem. A good start would be for you to stop bashing, banning an ignoring all the people that do actually play the game an listen to their concerns. Its been stated many times - As a community we agree that 'whitelisting' or allowing husbands/wives/roomie to play from the same house can be abused, an sometimes it is. As a community we know that there are WORSE cases of cheating going on right under your nose but because these players PAY TO WIN its ok by you. Also there are many paying customers that you flat out screwed over by changing the system in the middle of the age. You want to sit here an keep saying 'its a free game', 'roomies dont play together', etc ..If I PAID for the credits to have my room mate join my kingdom, then went through all the 'legal' crap that was required to make sure they met your 'then current' guidelines for playing from the same IP and now you decide it make it so they can't play with me (see above example of one province not being able to participate in the war) then what you have is a classic example of bait an switch. You see how that works? I paid for a puppy, took it home an soon as it grew up you came in a switched it out for a cat. The owners of the game are wrong, an if they are based in the USA then they are technically breaking the law. Regardless of were they are based they just stole a bunch of peoples money by denying them the product/service they paid for.
Hey - but we can ignore the 'few cases of roomies' that are upset right? Not that many of those out there .... Have you thought about the ENTIRE country of Singapore that this current security measure affects? Not good enough to alienate a few married couples with enough money to get into the same kingdom. You had to take it a step further an alienate an entire country (actually think a few more countries have the same issue too). Then if that wasn't enough of an insult you continue to allow cheating on a much more massive scale by letting cheaters pay to make it legal.

[Scavenger]

If legit use of sitting cannot be checked it should probably have the same restrictions as the IP sharers.

[ElusiveWitch]

So whats the difference? Because they pay for it makes it ok? If you are going to screw the people that are honest then let someone pay for the same thing. Its pay to win/play. Yeah, that's real fair huh? Why can't they have a legit way of verifying a white list too?

[khronosschoty]

You seem to be missing a key element - only same IP interactions are blocked.

I really respect you Bishop, so please do not take offense; but, What is the difference between me and my friends talking to each other (any hour of the day) via phone, IRC, and forums, any different then people sharing the same house? Okay I see, how those sharing the same IP, example: those living together, gives cause for greater potential abuse, and, I see how it makes it far easier for some one(s) to hide cheating; and, I see, how your new system, limits the damage done via cheating; however, it does not actually stop people from having multiple accounts, and, it does not stop people from sharing accounts.

So to rephrase the above: this system only stops legit use of the system, albeit, it hurts abuse of legit activity it does not actually stop those activities it sets out to stop. Actually the way I see it is: this only attempts to stop the bad effects of cheating -- not the actual cheating; maybe, it is hoped by restricting certain activities (those activities cheaters aim for), the cheaters will simple stop, however, I do not see that this will actual stop hardcore cheaters at all.

Again let me rephrase this: the activities being restricted are, in them selves, legal: team attacks, team ops, aiding, talking, sharing... there is only actually two things that are not legal, that I have mentioned in my post: having more then one account, and, sharing accounts with others. This new system will not stop those, afore mentioned, activities, deemed not legal.

[DDodge]

what do you suggest as a legit way of verifying a white list?

[repmes]

Bishop, it's not exactly : "You seem to be missing a key element - only same IP interactions are blocked."

The correct sentence is "You seem to be missing a key element - only same FREE IP interactions are blocked." "Pay 10 dollars to unblock."