Japanese whaling

[Korp]

A lot of proof has been given, by linking to the Norwegian Government. Your link on the other hand, is not a source, it does not provide any documentation for its claims and it's a propaganda site. Give me statistics.

And I think I already mentioned it in the previous post but lets bring it up again, What does Norwegian whaling have to do with Japanese whaling?

Also, just one google away and I can see how eating animals in general seems very unhumane. There will always be mistakes and there's million on millions of incidents every year of other animals than whales suffering, such as cows, chicken, turkeys, deer, etc etc.

Yet you cant provide any proof.

So, yet again, Scorpio86's opinion is founded on false information and really can't be respected.

What false information, you havent proved him wrong.

This is simply not true. 9 out of 10 Norwegian whales die on impact.

I know you norwegians are little behind, but seriously even you cant miss the topic of this thread?

Repeating something over and over again doesn't make it true unless you document it with real sources.

What happens in Norway is no way of proving that nothing inhumane is happening in Japan either but yet you seem to think that its okey to give a link to a norwegian goverment site and say its proof that Japanese whaling is okey!

[stoffi]

And I think I already mentioned it in the previous post but lets bring it up again, What does Norwegian whaling have to do with Japanese whaling?



Yet you cant provide any proof.



What false information, you havent proved him wrong.



I know you norwegians are little behind, but seriously even you cant miss the topic of this thread?



What happens in Norway is no way of proving that nothing inhumane is happening in Japan either but yet you seem to think that its okey to give a link to a norwegian goverment site and say its proof that Japanese whaling is okey!

I've already provided proof that millions of animals are brutally killed every year. Yes, non-whale-animals. Read up, or you can access your common knowledge database, or maybe even watch the news. There's several "discoveries" every year.


Also, the Japanese use the same harpoon grenades as Norway, so logic would tell you that Japanese grenades also explode on impact..... Their kill rate might be lower, but it would be difficult NOT to kill whales on impact.


So, again:

1. Whales are NOT chopped up alive. I repeat, NOT chopped up while alive.
2. Whales are killed just as efficiently as any other big game animal who's being hunted and killed, and can be compared with chicken, sheep, turkeys, etc.
3. As above already indicates, the vast majority of whales die on impact.



As a human being, I'm would want to make my decisions based on facts rather than false information. But when someone believes in something too much, that is not always true.

[scorpio86]

1. Not true.
2. Not true.
3. Not true.

[Wolfshound]

One of my favourite episodes. :) I wish more americans and other whale hypocrites would watch it and understand it.

They probably won't watch it cuz they disagree with Southpark and consider them the opposite of their believe.
And should they watch them, they probably wouldn't understand the idea anyway.

Hypocrites can't be tought anything for no matter what good reason there is, it will be ignored, while no matter what flawed reason there is, it will be embrased and admired as being the truth.

[Wolfshound]

Each to their own.

I never claimed the earth was flat.

Whales are NOT all killed instantly.

My opinion is that whaling is cruel and unecesary, it is done by the Japanese under the guise of scientific research and it is quite often carried out in Australian territorial waters. These are facts.

I tire of repeating myself continually to people who seem only wishing to 'pick arguements'.

Each to their own opinion.

You keep repeating lies and when they are proved to be lies you move to "each to their own opinion".
And above that you even mention you get tired of repeating yourself.

Dude, did it ever once come to your mind to just STOP repeating yourself instead of posting the same sentence over and over and over and over and over and over and over etc. etc. etc. etc. etc. again?????

You want to discuss things and even start a discussion, but you refuse to open up for others and their opinion.
Worse even, you get angry when someone opposes your vision and shows you its wrong.


The thing you seem to attempt right now is the thing environmental weirdo's do all the time.
Forcing their opinion to others using lies.

[stoffi]

1. Not true.
2. Not true.
3. Not true.

I wish debate techniques were taught in school....


Saying "not true" isn't an argument nor documentation. I've provided many good sources, and Korp has even provided a site with whale-fanatics who won't claim whales are chopped up alive. In fact, they say it's not happening.


You debate like a child. Give me some arguments, some facts, some documentation, like I have. Until that happens, your opinion is based on false information and you sound like one of those fanatical Christians who vote Santorum. You sound like you are crew on Watson's Sea Sheperd, living in total denial.

[scorpio86]

I don't have to give you arguments about what i beleive is good and true.

Simply because you disagree with me does not mean you have to be rude mate.

We shall have to agree to disagree.

[Wolfshound]

What happens in Norway is no way of proving that nothing inhumane is happening in Japan either but yet you seem to think that its okey to give a link to a norwegian goverment site and say its proof that Japanese whaling is okey!

Maybe this thread isn't about Norwegian whaling, but aside from Norwegians and thanks to Paul Watson and his lies probably nobody knows there is more whaling being done then the whaling shown in whale wars.
But i don't expect the Japanese whaling technic to be to different from the Norwegian.
You'd say the killing is done in the most effective way and from my knowledge from butchering where preventing stress is considered to be very important since stress will result in poor quality meat and whales being mammals to, i expect those things to be somewhat similar in whaling to.
So to me it would make sense the Japanese kill whales using the same technic the Norwegians use.

Of course it might not always go perfect, but environmental groups like IFAW are known to exaggerate whatever they claim.
They make it sound like every single animal is being abused even when it would be less then 1% of the animals.
Exaggeration is the way they get fools to support them.

[Wolfshound]

I don't have to give you arguments about what i beleive is good and true.

Simply because you disagree with me does not mean you have to be rude mate.

We shall have to agree to disagree.

You start a discussion on this forum.
Then the least thing you could do would be participate in a decent discussion.

You however act like a child who wants a cookie, but doesn't get one and just keeps stamping his feet to get his mommy to finally give him one.

[Korp]

Also, the Japanese use the same harpoon grenades as Norway, so logic would tell you that Japanese grenades also explode on impact..... Their kill rate might be lower, but it would be difficult NOT to kill whales on impact.

No, it doesnt say anything about their way of whaling, thats rather stupid logical step.

1. Whales are NOT chopped up alive. I repeat, NOT chopped up while alive.

3. As above already indicates, the vast majority of whales die on impact.

No, you provided a link where it states how the statistics looks in Norway, that doesnt account all of the world.

As a human being, I'm would want to make my decisions based on facts rather than false information. But when someone believes in something too much, that is not always true.

But you havent provided a single fact about Japanese whaling, all you ahve done is give a link from Norway then trying to claim logical it would work just like that in all parts of the world.

No proof of what has been provided.

2. Whales are killed just as efficiently as any other big game animal who's being hunted and killed, and can be compared with chicken, sheep, turkeys, etc.

No proof of that either, and that argument is silly, its okey cause we do it to other animals as well..


I did read your links that you provided, and if you cant point exactly where in the text i cant see any evidence that support your statements like 9/10 whales dies right away. Besides, in Norway they only hunt Minke while in Japan they hunt other whales as well so that kinda botched it all. Besides, the research Japan does about the whaling is being heaviliy criticized by the world community. For example countries like Australia has tries top stop Japanese whaling cause its brings whales to the brink of extinction and inhuman.

And here is a link that provides some information on how "good" those explosive harpoons are..

http://econpapers.repec.org/article/..._3a408-412.htm

etc etc.

[Korp]

and Korp has even provided a site with whale-fanatics who won't claim whales are chopped up alive. In fact, they say it's not happening.

You gotta stop smoke that crackpipe, nowhere does it states its not happening in the link i provided. Thou, what it did state was that whales go through a very cruel process before they actually die, let me copy and paste it for you. Like for example, this goes against your so far fictive claim that most whales dies on impact.

Exploding harpoons are often not fatal, and some whales are harpooned multiple times before they die.
Wounded, harpooned whales are dragged to whaling vessels, where they may be speared with more harpoons, shot with high-powered rifles or electrocuted with electrified lances. Some whales are simply strapped against the side of whaling vessels with their blowholes covered until they drown.
Because whales are able to slow their breathing and heart rate, many that appear dead or unconscious are probably still feeling extreme pain.

[Wolfshound]

You gotta stop smoke that crackpipe, nowhere does it states its not happening in the link i provided. Thou, what it did state was that whales go through a very cruel process before they actually die, let me copy and paste it for you. Like for example, this goes against your so far fictive claim that most whales dies on impact.

Exploding harpoons are often not fatal, and some whales are harpooned multiple times before they die.
Wounded, harpooned whales are dragged to whaling vessels, where they may be speared with more harpoons, shot with high-powered rifles or electrocuted with electrified lances. Some whales are simply strapped against the side of whaling vessels with their blowholes covered until they drown.
Because whales are able to slow their breathing and heart rate, many that appear dead or unconscious are probably still feeling extreme pain.

Well, knowing those "religious" environmental fanatics, i have no doubt they would have added that accusation to the list had it been remotely possible.
Probably that lie was just to much for them to consider using.

ps.
Have you ever been unconsious?
And how much pain did you feel while you were unconsious?
The mere suggestion they would feel pain while being unconsious is just HILARIOUS!!!!
It shows those idiots have no clue at all.

[Korp]

Well, knowing those "religious" environmental fanatics, i have no doubt they would have added that accusation to the list had it been remotely possible.

Oh, heavy with the facts here I see, provide hard facts instead of your biased opinions please.

Have you ever been unconsious?
And how much pain did you feel while you were unconsious?
The mere suggestion they would feel pain while being unconsious is just HILARIOUS!!!!
It shows those idiots have no clue at all.

Have you studied in whales, for how long what did you study, are you really trying to compare humans with whales? Plus the fact that they write appear unconscious and dont claim that they are it shows more of your idiocy than anything else.

[Wolfshound]

Oh, heavy with the facts here I see, provide hard facts instead of your biased opinions please.

For a guy who hasn't posted a single fact but only refers to a biased environmental groups site you sure are very keen on blaming others to not show facts and accuse them of being biased.
Again poor debating skills, just like in the other thread.

Have you studied in whales, for how long what did you study, are you really trying to compare humans with whales? Plus the fact that they write appear unconscious and dont claim that they are it shows more of your idiocy than anything else.

I'm indeed experienced in the matter.
Maybe you need to have a look at a dictionary to find out the meaning of "unconsious" first.

Funny tho, again you claim things which aren't facts while you are the one being most keen on demanding others to provide you with facts and links.
Calling me an idiot (which in fact you do with your referral to idiocy) and hiding it in a sentence which can always be denied should anyone blame you for doing that again shows your hypocrisy.
Start acting the way you demand others to act, instead of using those tricks to make others look bad.

[Korp]

For a guy who hasn't posted a single fact but only refers to a biased environmental groups site you sure are very keen on blaming others to not show facts and accuse them of being biased.
Again poor debating skills, just like in the other thread.

And people claiming the other one dont have any debating skills is the one that is lacking arguments, ergo attacking the person instead of the argumetns.

Maybe you need to have a look at a dictionary to find out the meaning of "unconsious" first.

I'm indeed experienced in the matter.

Yet again, nothing of value said, anyone can claim anything on the internet.

Maybe you need to have a look at a dictionary to find out the meaning of "unconsious" first.

Maybe you should re-read it again and then try to comprehend that appears unconscious does not equal unconscious.

Calling me an idiot (which in fact you do with your referral to idiocy) and hiding it in a sentence which can always be denied should anyone blame you for doing that again shows your hypocrisy.

No, I just was saying your claims was idiocy, smart people can also make idiotic claims.

Start acting the way you demand others to act, instead of using those tricks to make others look bad.

Yet again you are trying to discredit the person instead of facing the actual arguments. That said if you had any arguments to being with you probably would have provided them to begin with.