Bio outplayed rage, ghetto cats outplayed Sanct, and arguably best warring KD FS owned Simians who are doing real well recently warring nw kd's despite fighting 30% up their nw and using strat and playstyle that every top NW player on these boards say is outdated and useless and only used by ghettos.Originally Posted by flogger
I'd say such qualificatiokns are best kept on case to case basis.
Anyway gl to both KD's, nice to see so much action in the top these days and this early
*Bans MA*
BiO gained acres on rage, but they also withdrew at mintime up a wave, which implies that had they stayed in the war they were going to lose and they were therefore at the most gains they would be at. If they were in a position to gain more acres, they would not have withdrawn. Given the small losses Rage sustained, I would think that more accurately should be described as "BiO did a good job of realizing their strengths and played well" more so than "BiO outplayed Rage". It's a small difference. In both cases, the argument is that BiO played well. But I think maybe it's a stretch to use the word "outplayed".
Then again, I only have the info that has been given on these forums to go by. Perhaps you know some things I don't.
No it doesn't...
I vote uotpianub for most unbiased poster on these boards.
Well at lest parts of him that still arent all the way into Abs sfinkter ...
If staying in war was going to net them more gains, why would they withdraw? You don't withdraw if you are up and going to be even more up going forward.
Of course I'm biased. We all decide which side we think is "right" based upon whatever data we have and whatever our assumptions are. Everyone on these forums is biased.
And I will freely admit that I tend to look at abs as a positive force for the game. They have enforced their definition of proper play on the game for most of its history. For the most part, that has meant 1v1 conflicts. I think the alternative idea that if abs never existed things would be so much better is clearly naive. Just look at what other "anti-abs" alliances have done. Lots of 2v1's and gangbangs and shady stuff. By this point in the game's history everything can be said to be "retaliation" for some earlier action, and I'm fairly sure none of us can trace it all the way back to whoever the first person was that did something "wrong". And given that anything the game allows you to do cannot really be considered "wrong", I'm not even sure if we knew the root cause of all the drama that it would even be right to attribute it to that action or whatever.
Point is, Absalom exists and has enforced their idea of fairness upon the game. Their version of fair strikes me as better than a "no rules, anything goes" situation where kd's routinely gang up on other kd's they don't like.
Last edited by Drixx; 21-03-2012 at 22:15.
why is bio and rage **** in this thread? go talk in other thread.
and I see that my sanc is beating simians :D the nw gap got closer and sanc is bigger than simians in land :D
This is just wrong and not how top kingdoms think. Scenario:
Bio waves rage and gains 10k acres after mintime. Rage's wave returns 4 hours later.
Rage if they wave in 4 hours will gain 8k acres and likely withdraw before Bio gets home to wave again.
Bio then withdraws before Rage can wave and withdraw. Even if Bio is gaining more per wave, and waving faster, implying they would gain more in a longer war, it is correct to withdraw if you know your opponnent is going to wave and withdraw themselves before your next wave returns.
The scenario above happens in almost every top war, and when #1 and #2 fight, hitting and withdrawing before your opponnent can do the same to you is more important than who gets the war win.
Last edited by flogger; 21-03-2012 at 22:20.
Simians has played really well lately. And dorje even said it was essentially an even fight. If anything, I would say Simians is winning since they opened up into fort and are still at a position of even or slightly up, and apparently did so without their usual tools. It must have been chaos for them trying to track ops and get the proper spells on sanc's provs and organize hits and stuff. Yeah... I'm pretty sure I wouldn't say sanc is beating anyone just yet.
That makes sense flogger. But it also means that the fight was close enough that it was down to which side was going to withdraw in order to be up acres. In which case it seems a bit silly to say one side "outplayed" the other or that one side "farmed out" to the other, as other threads suggested. It was a close war and BiO played their setup well and took some acres. Kudos to them for being smart and playing their hand right.
But "outplayed" and "farmed out" don't belong in that discussion. If we were talking about the Fury vs. OS war, on the other hand ...
You're always top 10 in my eyes, regardless of what the survey of the world says.
Yes! And since I've teached you during our war, you should now know how to do this.
It doesn't have anything to do with which side ends "up" in acres. I withdrew from Sanc once up 50,000 acres. They would have hit back for 20,000 and withdrew an hour after we withdrew, so it didn't change who was up acres overall, just by how much.
We ended up crowning that age, but not by more than 20,000 acres.
Its more simply why would you want to let someone wave and withdraw when you can just withdraw before they wave, if gaining acres is your goal.
Bio withdrew because they were significantly losing the war, and withdrawing gives a HUGE advantage in acres. In an even war, whoever withdraws is guaranteed to gain significantly, so kingdoms that don't care about winning have a massive advantage (side note, this makes the war win charts completely irrelevant) From the KD page it didn't look to me like bio would have started losing acres immediately had they continued, nor was the war fully unwinnable, but they were smart to get out at a good moment.
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