yes, but they gain 9*1.3 with tact, and replenishing deff with money is much cheaper than replenishing elites, money orcs save on retraining elites returns twofold in defspecs training. even if their economies arent trashed I doubt they are able to sustain building acres and retraining all the troops. I am really surprised simians are even bothering with ll's and greeds and havent just gone with fullout fb runs on the bank, with so many pezzies on one pile return gains will be awesome and efen if they fail 4/5 with their faes its still very much worth it, thats one income/draft moster there and the longer the war goes on more it will contribute.