Simians Vs Sanctuary

[Awesomeness]

anri is too busy at work and with real life. stop bugging him guys.

[goodz]

:) I reckon the faerys income was getting close to simians income as a whole :P But not much to be done for it. Banks are win!

[Anri]

Brain beats brawn. Gratz Sanctuary :)

Activity and stamina. we wd to reorganize and replace players after 26 days of warring and 6 days of peace we are very tired. they never stopped our waves. we became to inactive to chain them low enough. all about activity. gg sanctuary and congrats. c ya

[Anri]

anri is too busy at work and with real life. stop bugging him guys.

Yes working 15h today n last 3 days been on irc maybe 1h. I came home from work n ordered wd since to many players could not be active enough. that includes me. :/

[Anri]

I will post more when i have the time.

[Luc]

It's of course hard for outsiders to judge, but what I know is:
1. You've got a strong incentive to come up with excuses, seeing as how you've been talking the talk (but failed to walk the walk), so it's unlikely we'll get the truth unless it's convenient for you
2. The summaries posted suggest activity was pretty equal between the kd's
3. Judging by posts about your kd, it's obvious that you guys rely on brute force leadership, being active, sms'ing etc. I don't think the same is true for Sanc, meaning they waste less energy getting the same results
4. Dorje has proven throughout the ages that he's a strong strategist, while Simians have never been famous for having anyone especially capable in that area
5. Failing activity is pretty much the norm in very long wars, and should be planned for

So, I could be wrong, but it seems likely it was brain that beat brawn in this case

[goodz]

It's of course hard for outsiders to judge, but what I know is:
1. You've got a strong incentive to come up with excuses, seeing as how you've been talking the talk (but failed to walk the walk), so it's unlikely we'll get the truth unless it's convenient for you
2. The summaries posted suggest activity was pretty equal between the kd's
3. Judging by posts about your kd, it's obvious that you guys rely on brute force leadership, being active, sms'ing etc. I don't think the same is true for Sanc, meaning they waste less energy getting the same results
4. Dorje has proven throughout the ages that he's a strong strategist, while Simians have never been famous for having anyone especially capable in that area

So, I could be wrong, but it seems likely it was brain that beat brawn in this case

With all due respect for sanctuary and the effort I am sure they also put into this war. It is much more likely that that The larger faerys enabled them to recover from chains very well. Acres were slowly migrating to the faerys as the attackers exchanged hits. Eventually Sanctuary pushed some advantage. No real reason for Anri to make up becoming busy, I am sure players in Sanctuary were busy too, and sitting is always an option. But players burn out, and although Simians perhaps could have kept going it has looked for awhile like sanctuary would win on merrit of the bank.

Good war from both sides and probably the longest war I have seen in the top 5 in memory :)

[Luc]

With all due respect for sanctuary and the effort I am sure they also put into this war. It is much more likely that that The larger faerys enabled them to recover from chains very well. Acres were slowly migrating to the faerys as the attackers exchanged hits. Eventually Sanctuary pushed some advantage. No real reason for Anri to make up becoming busy, I am sure players in Sanctuary were busy too, and sitting is always an option. But players burn out, and although Simians perhaps could have kept going it has looked for awhile like sanctuary would win on merrit of the bank.

You're not really disagreeing with me. I'm not saying he made up being busy, I have no doubt he's telling the truth about working a lot. I don't believe that to be the only reason they lost the war though.

Race setup, nw distribution, builds, adapting to people being late, adapting to people getting tired, inducing stamina by good leadership etc. etc. are all important parts of strategy, and is included when I say brain vs brawn. Simians didn't do badly at all, but Sanc outplayed them this time because they're better at the aforementioned parts. Maybe Simians will learn from it and beat them next time, we'll see. Pretty major PR loss for Simians this time though, which was why I said what I said earlier in this thread. They really need activity to be the major reason why they lost, or they'll look a little stupid for waving their egoes around, so I'm guessing they'll try hard to sell that to us.

[Anri]

nah people, i am not trying to make it look as if we surrendered due to activity issues only.
In the long run sanctuary would have won. We could have warred another 15 days with better activity and sanctuary would still have won. It is a very small factor that gave them this win.
Dorje pointed it out early in the war. The faerys are just to overpowered. They did AW til our biggest provs got to 0.5wpa then they made LL runs on them taking 1-150a per LL. Its insanly damaging when faerys do this 24/7 on your largest provs and there was no way to protect from it. Forget WTs and high tpa, it only slows the progress down somewhat. They would have LLed down our biggest provs 1 by 1. Stocking acres and honor on the faerys was a real smart move.
We went into the conflict with a beleif we would have the time and strength to destroy their faerys. We wanted to farm the bank, we wanted to farm their faerys. We failed it, came to war overconfident, came in with no organization and felt we would walk right over them. In this time their faerys trained up and started to grow in the war once we wanted to do anything about it it was to late all ready. I am pretty confident we could have warred them for like an eternity and beat those orcs down til it had been nothing left of them, but the acres and gain still would have been piled on their faerys. It wouldnt have mattered much what we would have done different. In the end when we lost activity we could not keep up with thier heavy LL gains so there was no point to continue the war, we needed better activity to keep up. We wanted to put 4 of our faerys on prince status and have them on prince title even after eow period but sancs LL was to damaging.
We could not follow thru chains because only half of the KD started to show up for the waves.
Activity is always a factor. Anyone that says anything different is dumb. Its not that Simians are bad strategist, we beat Ravenant, Coss, Marcel, Hesus earlier this age. Dorje could just as well have lost this one. So small factors decided the outcome of this war. If it werent for the faerys and the bank most of all this orc KD would have died and got farmed.

Sanc ended war up 17k acres
Simians ended war up 5k acres

Ask Dorje how many acres was put on the faerys only.
I think it is all 17k. Faerys win wars!!!!!!!!

GG sanctuary. We gladly rematch you next age. We learnt one or two things that will be important to improve future warring. Need at least 1 rogue in the KD. Without a simple ops like AW we would probably have won this war. Its pretty insane when you think about it.

[Luc]

Alright! Glad to see honesty, since we've never had a lot of that in uto really. You proved me wrong right there Anri, kudos

[Anri]

Cmon i am at work now and i am "active". Im just saying that if 10 people show up for 3 waves per day its not enough, if 20+ does Sanc would have been wding after 3-4 days tops. But their activity sucked also so whatever ;-)

[Anri]

After this age Simians more then likely take summer vac and age-off. For everyones joy!
But we play this age out ofc. Just remember that if you say we suck next age we are afk drinking beer and more. In the autumn we rock again! ;-)
Will need some time to recover for next war now. Hopefully the top is alive and kicking and can give us another war.
Were waiting for lame vultures thou ofc. Dreamworks hello... nubs without backbones

[Macros]

From my point of view this war wasn't lost or won due to the faeries as much as it was due to several botched oppertunities to disable sanc provinces, while sanc jumped all over a guy like McHammer when they had the chance. The faes did little more then keep Simians' largest provinces honest.

[AngelKen]

=) .

[Persain]

After this age Simians more then likely take summer vac and age-off. For everyones joy!
But we play this age out ofc. Just remember that if you say we suck next age we are afk drinking beer and more. In the autumn we rock again! ;-)
Will need some time to recover for next war now. Hopefully the top is alive and kicking and can give us another war.
Were waiting for lame vultures thou ofc. Dreamworks hello... nubs without backbones

just curious what do u define as an age off...no waring just whoring or u going to drop down into the mid range and crush some of the average kds?