none taking by the way!!! And bishop if i mention in previous post that most of them are quitting cuz of it, I stated it wrong all I am saying is that 2 province quit in my kd cuz of those reason now i'm just one kd and theres like 300+ kd out there i think havent realy paid attention much to it, but if 2 quit in my kd that surely means more have quit cuz of it, and that's all i wanted to say
And again yes turtling with only defence is stupid i always tell my guys to go hit tm's cuz it's a safe hit so i'm not arguing that fact whats so ever
