BIO vs ghettocats

[Elit]

I think the issue arises because the top five are counting notice as hostile and the rest of the server is resisting

Not rest from server...just one silly kd. when 2 top land chart kds gave eatch other notice its 99% end with hostile/war. So pre notice period is active relation too because both kds train up/change his build and save gold for few dragons. If some one interfere in notice period and rob one from both kds he can change complete incoming war. For this if you decide to not honor this pre hostile period don't be surprised if later one from this kd pay back you how they want.

About silly cats. You guys have your own rules but some time its can go against other kds rules and this will bring you "fun" soon or later. Its don't matter if you rob kd in active hostile or not active hostile when you rob same kd for very long period of time. None like to be used like farm, he will remember it and visit you when he can. For this you don't have any reason to complain for getting hit from bio. Another nonsense silly complain is size. If you can sn simians to check if they are in active hostile, mean you don't have problem with simians size and they are bigger from BIO. So take your fight and don't complain.

Elurin, top kds is not retard. You can use from time to time same tactics. Right now from begin was best for cats to ask for CF and give free wave. You can get free landrop and war kd in your size and bio can get his revenge and make both sides happy. Complain there only make more people to want to hit you and make harder diplo solution.

[Evillone]

Not rest from server...just one silly kd. when 2 top land chart kds gave eatch other notice its 99% end with hostile/war. So pre notice period is active relation too because both kds train up/change his build and save gold for few dragons. If some one interfere in notice period and rob one from both kds he can change complete incoming war. For this if you decide to not honor this pre hostile period don't be surprised if later one from this kd pay back you how they want.

About silly cats. You guys have your own rules but some time its can go against other kds rules and this will bring you "fun" soon or later. Its don't matter if you rob kd in active hostile or not active hostile when you rob same kd for very long period of time. None like to be used like farm, he will remember it and visit you when he can. For this you don't have any reason to complain for getting hit from bio. Another nonsense silly complain is size. If you can sn simians to check if they are in active hostile, mean you don't have problem with simians size and they are bigger from BIO. So take your fight and don't complain.

Elurin, top kds is not retard. You can use from time to time same tactics. Right now from begin was best for cats to ask for CF and give free wave. You can get free landrop and war kd in your size and bio can get his revenge and make both sides happy. Complain there only make more people to want to hit you and make harder diplo solution.

I don't think any of us sillys are complaining because we are being hit by a larger kingdom, I didn't bother to read through every post (just kinda skimmed) but i haven't heard anything like that going on in IRC.

As to the first paragraph, if i understand what you are saying correctly is that if two top kingdoms give notice that they are breaking thier CF's with eachother that at some point after that thier will probably be a fight and sense the matchup should be clear who is going to be fighting people should just let them pump and get ready for that fight in peace. Im curious, dose knowing the particpants in the matchup change the situation? if a random ghetto is planing to wave for war in a week (solid wave time in place) but is unsure which kingdom they will attack (due to having a much larger target pool) are they in a different state of relations than say Simians would be if they noticed rage that they will breaking a CF with them in a week (sense by your terms the CF break implies planed attacks)? seems exactly the same to me, the only difference being that Simians knows exactly who they will be fighting due to size and politics narrowing down possible targets to 1, where as the ghetto has to prepare for 1 of several possible targets depending on who's available for a fight after a week. The other difference is that a ghetto would never complain about being hit or robbed during thier war prep period, because firstly "pre-hostile" is not a recognized state of relations and 2ndly their is far too many different kingdoms to nap them all into leaving you alone. Basically I'm saying NO ONE ELSE gets free pump periods (besides end of war CF time) so why dose the top feel so entitled to it? becuse they know who thier target is going to be LOL, right... If i had to guess its because due to rampant NAPing they are used to having those kind of cushy perks and now that cats is accidentally threatening that way of utopian life the top is spazing out.

On a side note its awesome to know that BIO built their strat to counter us furballs (even though we had no intention of being back in the top 10)! I gauranted peoples that at least one top kingdom would do just that as i figured some of them would at least try to adapt. I was banking on Anri and co as they are much more of the FSU attitude that BIO is claiming they have this age but Im just as happy to be proved right by Flogger =). If this continues we might even see some of the top adopt kingdom wide war strats instead of the whore strats they run now and then they will be completely out of excuses as to why they loose wars to sillcats (not to say we would be beat BIO as we cant even get a button from em but Im sure their would be an excuse if we did) =P!

[Evillone]

Also im curious what is the time limit on this pre hostile relation that is to be observed? if TFC is claiming they are going to hostile Simians at the EOA than technically would TFC be pre hostile with simians right now? If so dosnt that mean no one should hit them or op them for the rest of the age while they prepare for their EOA hostile with simians?

[baka]

On a side note its awesome to know that BIO built their strat to counter us furballs (even though we had no intention of being back in the top 10)! I gauranted peoples that at least one top kingdom would do just that as i figured some of them would at least try to adapt. I was banking on Anri and co as they are much more of the FSU attitude that BIO is claiming they have this age but Im just as happy to be proved right by Flogger =). If this continues we might even see some of the top adopt kingdom wide war strats instead of the whore strats they run now and then they will be completely out of excuses as to why they loose wars to sillcats (not to say we would be beat BIO as we cant even get a button from em but Im sure their would be an excuse if we did) =P!

You think too highly of yourself. BiO has went FSU setup long before the formation of many kingdoms here. I believe BiO and Sleepy were the only 2 kingdoms in modern uto (Age 32 onwards) to carry the FSU attitude and made it our goal to be a pest to the top kingdoms.

The one age we didn't was last age when we decided to give crowning a shot. To think we did this to counter 1 kingdom is a rather big ego to carry around. You just so happen to be our new toy till the next kingdom shows up and takes the spot.

[Scavenger]

The playing style is not dictated by our preferences, but by our desire to compete. That is to say, it is determined by the growth mechanics. Dicepumping is the only way to compete for #1 with the current rules, so that's what top kingdoms do. But we have all supported improvements to growth mechanics that would change this. See my signature for instance.

To echo dorje's sentiments, if you think the top 10 enjoys not hitting eachother, dicing for months at a time, and sitting there doing nothing, you are insane. People like to fight and do things, not sit and stock resources.

The rules are just such that you have to do this boring play in order to win, and of course there are kingdoms that like to win, as there are in any game.

Rofl
You have to sit and stock in order to win because of what?
Because of one kd who started it and you couldn't touch it? That's cause YOU WERE NAPPED!
The term nap suddenly became more accurate :P

[jdorje]

This may be the worst thread ever assembled.

However I can confirm that Ghetto Cats robbed us into our hostile with Silly Pink last age.

[jdorje]

Also, just to back flogger up, if a top kingdom had an "age without naps" they wouldn't be a top kingdom. You'd get in one early war and then you would be 20k acres behind and out of the picture. And then you'd get another fight, and another, and fall further behind. Because no matter how good you are or how many wars you win, every one of them loses you acres compared to the dicing kingdoms. You can take out one or two of them but then you're out of the picture.

The solution is simple: all the top kingdoms just nap each other until yr8. By that time if everyone dices fully and doesn't get stalled everyone will be 200k. Once you are 200k acres you can finally fight and possibly (though it's very hard) take more acres in a war than you would get by dicing.

Another solution is what I have proposed elsewhere: have dicing acres stick around, so if you war you can still clean them out afterwards (if you're good enough to take the econ penalty). This one would be a lot more fun, but it isn't under top kingdoms control though, so the only thing we can do is the first solution.

[Anri]

This may be the worst thread ever assembled.

However I can confirm that Ghetto Cats robbed us into our hostile with Silly Pink last age.

People want proof. Proof have been given more then plenty of times from all top kds how they got robbed into hostile, eowcf, oow and prior to top fights.

It doesnt really matter. Karma is the boss.

[Anri]

Also, just to back flogger up, if a top kingdom had an "age without naps" they wouldn't be a top kingdom. You'd get in one early war and then you would be 20k acres behind and out of the picture. And then you'd get another fight, and another, and fall further behind. Because no matter how good you are or how many wars you win, every one of them loses you acres compared to the dicing kingdoms. You can take out one or two of them but then you're out of the picture.

The solution is simple: all the top kingdoms just nap each other until yr8. By that time if everyone dices fully and doesn't get stalled everyone will be 200k. Once you are 200k acres you can finally fight and possibly (though it's very hard) take more acres in a war than you would get by dicing.

Another solution is what I have proposed elsewhere: have dicing acres stick around, so if you war you can still clean them out afterwards (if you're good enough to take the econ penalty). This one would be a lot more fun, but it isn't under top kingdoms control though, so the only thing we can do is the first solution.

I really hope someone is listening to you

[protector]

Facts, you didnt provide a single proof of your so called facts anyone can spout out any nonsense and claim its facts. If I find 10 different people that claim that your kingdom are xlogging would that considered being the truth? I dont quite follow the logic there.

Are you for real? You are much more of an idiot than I thought at first.
Comparing to accusing a kingdom of xlogging with accusing a kingdom of robbing into active hostile... I dont quite follow your logic here.

prot: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...5#post15168345

The other post I refer to there (posted the day before) is somewhere in the simians thread, you're not worth my time to find it but this was quick. I doubt it was "lost in the spam" as it remains the last, unanswered, post. Stop making stuff up. Indeed it's very beneficial for multiple kd's to accuse us for it - you're naive if you don't think any of the kd's we upset by (legit) robbing would like to join in accusing us of made-up stuffies.

In first case my request was to backoff in our preparation. That wasn't a hostility no, I never claimed that either; all I did was request to be left alone to prepare for Rage. 12 hours later our hostilities with Rage started and we continued to see some of your provinces in our news. When you catch someone, and then see xxxxx of out gc has been stolen right after, that doesn't really indicate to be a snatch news now, does it?
So your request for proof came 5-7. The hostile with Rage I had been pointing out multiple times was last age. How much are you going to believe it if I go dig logs and give you that proof?
Furthermore I don't quite follow these forums every day, so even if it was the last post, I had not read it yet. I mostly only read the first few topics at top

I think the issue arises because the top five are counting notice as hostile and the rest of the server is resisting

Nope, at least I dont. All I did was gently ask to be left alone in that period (which was 12h before hostilities started). Doesn't seem like something too much to ask for?

[citadela01]

This whole thread is one huge pile of hypocricy and bulls***.

Ppl do what they themself consider morally justified, or what that can get away with ... mkay?

Everything else said here is bs. I find the theorycrafting about pre-hostille periods simply HILLARIOS. Can I run 10% draft whole next age ? I am having pre-hostile period for my yr12 war.

Kudos to cats and bio for playing the game the way they see fit and putting their money where their mouth is and fighting it out. Buthurt haters like Prot&co who talk mad **** on these board cause ppl refuse to comply to their imaginary rules ... just lol

[Elit]

As to the first paragraph, if i understand what you are saying correctly is that if two top kingdoms give notice that they are breaking thier CF's with eachother that at some point after that thier will probably be a fight and sense the matchup should be clear who is going to be fighting people should just let them pump and get ready for that fight in peace. Im curious, dose knowing the particpants in the matchup change the situation? if a random ghetto is planing to wave for war in a week (solid wave time in place) but is unsure which kingdom they will attack (due to having a much larger target pool) are they in a different state of relations

Look like you don't know how game in land chart work. For being there you first need kd with 25 real active people. They need to have enough discipline to follow orders and login every day in time to spend his mana for dice and keep it around 50-60% max. Not every kd can make it because this is hell boring. Its price for being big. If you want to win land/nw chart you wont have fun 80% from age. How dorje and other people already told most land/chart kds make cf and don't war before yr 5-8. At this time they are much bigger from most kds in utopia. There is no way random ghetto to can hit/hur them because NW difference is so huge. Its left only few kds in top to compete etch other. 2-3 are your ally or friends and 2-3 are your opponents. When 2 kds gave etch other notice they are going to war and they have most probably cf with rest kds in range. This mean none will hit them and they can prepare for his wars safe. at this point if there is silly kd who try to rob them its can change war results because most from times money can won war. Now back to your wrong example. Ghetto kds are ghetto because they don't have 25 active provinces, cant grow and they are in range for so many kds. Using there CF/nap play wont give you any advantage. No one will bother with your pre hostile notice period. Its complete different games.
In short if you are ghetto you must play like ghetto if you are top land kd you must follow other logic/rules. If you try to use same ghetto play you will end very bad, because there are few kds, they will remember you and pay back hard when you cant return it.

[Elit]

Also im curious what is the time limit on this pre hostile relation that is to be observed? if TFC is claiming they are going to hostile Simians at the EOA than technically would TFC be pre hostile with simians right now? If so dosnt that mean no one should hit them or op them for the rest of the age while they prepare for their EOA hostile with simians?

Simians and TFC are already in hostile. Simians hit TFC and got ops in return. I don't know if TFC is going to keep op them eoa or they will CF but your logic is not correct again. Simians is not random ghetto in range with 30 kds. There is only few kds who can war them. There is no reason for rest to war simians if TFC keep slow them. Its work perfect for rage/hoh/sanc. So they will HAPPY respect eoa hostile simians vs TFC. Game logic in top is complete different from ghetto range.

[Anri]

Simians and TFC are already in hostile. Simians hit TFC and got ops in return. I don't know if TFC is going to keep op them eoa or they will CF but your logic is not correct again. Simians is not random ghetto in range with 30 kds. There is only few kds who can war them. There is no reason for rest to war simians if TFC keep slow them. Its work perfect for rage/hoh/sanc. So they will HAPPY respect eoa hostile simians vs TFC. Game logic in top is complete different from ghetto range.

TFC been UF almost entire time of this conflict. When a 25 faery KD has the button id say that hostile relation applies. They have 25 provs fireballing, NSing, Kidnappin and LL us right now. Why does Cats have to know this, why is our hostile always interesting to them? Why dont they want to CF? Why do they want to steal us or hit us every chance they get or dare too. Why do they want to wave KDs army out? Why do they want to wave KDs oow? Why do they want to be small and abuse relative nw?

It will come back and bite them in the arse more then a few times

[Mephyistoo]

Like last Age when we waved you after all the stuff you rambled on about and then you said you wouldn't war us and apologized? lol We play to have fun in Cats and about all this coming back to haunt us nonsense we arent trying to crown so if we lose a bunch of land/nw etc we really arent at all that bothered, it just means we had something interesting to do when we were logging in. Besides the last 3 biggie kingdoms that hit into us for stealing from them all left with a sour taste in their mouths.

And on the BIO side I remember them posting how they liked us earlier in the age because they were able to steal all our GC. I'm still finding it entertaining that a KD mostly rogues is complaining about getting robbed lol. Not to mention the fact that Simians and BIO have been vuluring us after each war since we tagged and I actually have the news to prove it, unlike all our supposed robs into hostiles etc.

Oh well were having fun with BIO atm, and thats all that matters right?