BIO vs ghettocats

[XanaX]

Uhm...who is baka btw? And who is this flogger dude?

[Anri]

Uhm...who is baka btw? And who is this flogger dude?

who are you?

[Red]

We need more love in this thread!

So all listen to this first before posting again :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkoSPqjaU4

[Anri]

We need more love in this thread!

So all listen to this first before posting again :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YIkoSPqjaU4

I checked it out. I was listening to dropkick murphys. You totaly ruined it now.

[Red]

If that's how you feel after listening, then nothing can save you... poor Anri :(

[Elit]

Don't be shy! Post summary from hits.
Edit. Inso is most boring kd ever. Why none from you post summary?

[AquaSeaFoam]

I should admit cats is very impressive (read it silly). One from main reasons why ABS gbed dreams age 50 (based on logs with asf) is because there was "most dirty" person in utopia = Realest. He got this tile main for his posts in forum because he love to piss off people on propose. He did it (forum posts) around age 45-48 and his kd was GBed 2-3 ages later for it. Now back to cats. You guys sure piss off a lot more people and do it much better from Realest. If you keep this good job i can bet Cats will end banged ....just don't know how many kds will join.

This is completely false and had nothing to do with Abs reasons for the gb on Dreams. I think forum posts may have played a part in why some non-Abs wanted Dreams gb'd though.

Also, just as a point of record, not all that long ago it was quite common for kingdoms to get waved with their armies still out from their wave after having cf'd. It was always considered a form of vulturing but wasn't really anything anyone gb'd over before now. I know this has happend to Rage a number of times by other top kingdoms and we hadn't ever gb'd anyone for it although Rage did make it a point to make sure the kingdom regretted it. It's also happened to many other kingdoms on many other occasions and I don't recall any top kingdom gangbangs over it in the recent past.

[Billah]

So AquaSeaFoam, I was wondering...How much gold has silly cats stolen from you personally this age? They have stolen a lot of gc off of me this age and I'm really happy I got acres off of them in this recent hostile.

It feels just.

[citadela01]

It feels just.

Ofc you do ... considering all the bull**** propaganda thats takin place in every Cats related thread for weeks now.

With all the strawman arguments, obfuscating facts and just plain old lies beeing spread by same 3 kds over and over again ... I am sure you pumped up yourself to a point you started beliving your own bs.

Lets call it what it is ... antiabs part of top had no other way to deal with Cats not playin nap/notice game they eventually resorted to good ol‘ powerplay and gangbang since noone has their back and you can aford to it and not fear consequences

[Elurin]

Blame your halfers for stealing from us every OOW; we just stole back from the other provs :)

[Elit]

This is completely false and had nothing to do with Abs reasons for the gb on Dreams. I think forum posts may have played a part in why some non-Abs wanted Dreams gb'd though.

If you want i can check and post logs. GB on Dreams was planed from age begin. I got sing for it from many sources and talked with Dorje few times to make sure you wont GB us for noting, but never dorje and you told me its wont happen (so basically you was honest there :P ). You personal gave me forum links where Realest don't talk so polite and used it for evidence why you want to pay back. I'm not say its was only reason. There was awar age 45 too, and maybe much more. My main point to cats was: if you talk so mean ppl start act crazy.... like you :P

[AquaSeaFoam]

This age I don't think they got any off me personally, but I know they got a good chunk off Rage both this age and last.

My opinion on the subject in general is that if you repeatedly attack/op someone or some kingdom without being willing to negotiate or stop, then eventually they will do what is necessary to defend themselves or attempt to make them regret it later.

As for the "top kingdoms being robbed into pre-hostile" stuff... I feel that top kingdom battles are a big part of the intrigue of Utopia. I find the battles interesting both for my own kingdom and even with two other kingdoms. It's a bit like two top boxers/mma fighters/football teams/whatever battling. The kingdoms involved and even others watching don't want the results to be determined by which kingdom got thieved the most by a third party before the fight. It's like if a football team got roughed up on their way to the match and then couldn't compete properly and therefore the game was ruined. Although it is apparently fun for the ones doing the robbing, it ruins the fun for all those wanting to see a "fair" fight between the top kingdoms.

Robbing (or attacking) a top kingdom that is about to enter a fight with another top kingdom puts them in the position where they either need to retaliate and therefore give up the top kingdom fight and most likely their age goals of the top or just ignore it and try to get a cf. The cost to fight back against the pre-hostile robbing is so huge that it is not a fair situation even though there is nothing inherently "unfair" about robbing a kingdom that is not yet in a hostile.

There was a time during land based gains when the only effective way to play was to be smaller than your opponent and run suicide offense and quad tap. The smaller province/kingdom would pretty much always gain if other factors were at all even until the sizes were even. The best bets to win was to either secure EOA NAP's with everyone or to save pool and top feed the kingdoms above you at the end of the age and then use pool to take the top at the last minute. The advantage to smaller provinces/kingdoms made the game stagnant and was when the game began to lose large numbers of players.

We now again have a situation where a smaller kingdom can "freely" harass or wave a larer kingdom with relatively little that the bigger kingdom can do about it besides resorting to mutual destruction or getting outside help. In the past, the bigger kingdom could generally at least declare the smaller aggressor if they did enough hits. The fact that declaring is only possible if the other kingdom hits you more than you hit them should be enough to protect smaller kingdoms from bigger aggressors. In short, the declare range should be fixed.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Elit, feel free to check your logs. Yes, people planned to gb "sonata" when they returned before the age. Yes I linked you Realests posts announcing that Sonata was back, but those links were in response to your denials that Dreams had anything to do with Sonata.

[Peto]

@baka

"Nothing is more fun than doing whatever you want or can."

and at last you understand why we stole all the shinies last age :)

[Elit]

Elit, feel free to check your logs. Yes, people planned to gb "sonata" when they returned before the age. Yes I linked you Realests posts announcing that Sonata was back, but those links were in response to your denials that Dreams had anything to do with Sonata.

Do you still think Dreams have/had anything with Sonata?
Yes you linked me to His announce age 47-48 how sonata is back. Its what make you and other ppl to think we are sonata. I'm sure if Realest really planed to back sonata when made his post he wont make it. He is not stupid for sure.

This age I don't think they got any off me personally, but I know they got a good chunk off Rage both this age and last.

My opinion on the subject in general is that if you repeatedly attack/op someone or some kingdom without being willing to negotiate or stop, then eventually they will do what is necessary to defend themselves or attempt to make them regret it later.

As for the "top kingdoms being robbed into pre-hostile" stuff... I feel that top kingdom battles are a big part of the intrigue of Utopia. I find the battles interesting both for my own kingdom and even with two other kingdoms. It's a bit like two top boxers/mma fighters/football teams/whatever battling. The kingdoms involved and even others watching don't want the results to be determined by which kingdom got thieved the most by a third party before the fight. It's like if a football team got roughed up on their way to the match and then couldn't compete properly and therefore the game was ruined. Although it is apparently fun for the ones doing the robbing, it ruins the fun for all those wanting to see a "fair" fight between the top kingdoms.

Robbing (or attacking) a top kingdom that is about to enter a fight with another top kingdom puts them in the position where they either need to retaliate and therefore give up the top kingdom fight and most likely their age goals of the top or just ignore it and try to get a cf. The cost to fight back against the pre-hostile robbing is so huge that it is not a fair situation even though there is nothing inherently "unfair" about robbing a kingdom that is not yet in a hostile.

There was a time during land based gains when the only effective way to play was to be smaller than your opponent and run suicide offense and quad tap. The smaller province/kingdom would pretty much always gain if other factors were at all even until the sizes were even. The best bets to win was to either secure EOA NAP's with everyone or to save pool and top feed the kingdoms above you at the end of the age and then use pool to take the top at the last minute. The advantage to smaller provinces/kingdoms made the game stagnant and was when the game began to lose large numbers of players.

We now again have a situation where a smaller kingdom can "freely" harass or wave a larer kingdom with relatively little that the bigger kingdom can do about it besides resorting to mutual destruction or getting outside help. In the past, the bigger kingdom could generally at least declare the smaller aggressor if they did enough hits. The fact that declaring is only possible if the other kingdom hits you more than you hit them should be enough to protect smaller kingdoms from bigger aggressors. In short, the declare range should be fixed.

Very good post there. Agree :P