BIO vs ghettocats

[AquaSeaFoam]

Problem is not BIO. Look like you did same to HoH. If they was free now most possible they will raze you too. Its same for ABS. If you want to pis off bigger/stronger kds make sure you are strong enough to fight them or you will be razed for sure.

While "Abs" kingdoms were not happy about being robbed repeatedly we did not feel it was right to gangbang an independent kingdom over it. A prepared kingdom taking a stand like BIO initially did without also then teaming up with their allies would have been the way to go from our perspective. What Cats did the last two ages isn't much different at all from what kingdoms like Sleepy did age after age to Abs kingdoms.

[Meeni]

While "Abs" kingdoms were not happy about being robbed repeatedly we did not feel it was right to gangbang an independent kingdom over it. A prepared kingdom taking a stand like BIO initially did without also then teaming up with their allies would have been the way to go from our perspective. What Cats did the last two ages isn't much different at all from what kingdoms like Sleepy did age after age to Abs kingdoms.

Not like Abs hasn't done it in the past though.

[Elit]

While "Abs" kingdoms were not happy about being robbed repeatedly we did not feel it was right to gangbang an independent kingdom over it. A prepared kingdom taking a stand like BIO initially did without also then teaming up with their allies would have been the way to go from our perspective. What Cats did the last two ages isn't much different at all from what kingdoms like Sleepy did age after age to Abs kingdoms.

There you coming again with your extreme hypocrisy diplomatist. Cats hate now Bio so lets make us look good and use it for send them after our enemy! You/ ABS did GB/Bonce/Raze every time when its was need for ABS goals. Don't try to play innocent good guy.

Edit: Just asked coss about it. He admit they loved to rob rage but same time you got CF with sleepy every age so its different situation.

[citadela01]

iirr we were top 10 most time of the age, our Average Opponent Relative Size = 112%, what ghetto farming are you talking about? :)

I am guessing that would be Insolence uhum :p

heh ... current gangbang aside funny how Bio had to step in again to prevent Inso loosing war. Srsly ... after all that crap done to Cats they still arent capable to deal with Cats and had to call in help ? Even after they *gasps* waved Cats while they had troops out ... wasnt that the only reason Cats won last war vs Inso ?

Hillarious ... whos leading there ? mrBean ? I think Insolence should change name to Impotence ... has a better ring to it and fits KD with most consistent failing streak in recent Uto history.

[Elurin]

Aww, cuties. Addressing the Bio and allies crowd is pretty useless, anyone with a brain can guess the consequences of this.

Citadela; Glad to see someone on these boards be able to make an objective analysis. Not because it's always in favour of us (you said we were stupid quite a few times) but it's good to see we have one player here able to use own analytical skills, separate facts from opinions and draw accurate conclusions.

[Snega]

Until yesterday I thought BiO had walked the line in a pretty fancy way.

They did make it possible for Inso to steal their money to pay for a dragon in our first war with Inso. That was a bit dishonorable, but it was Inso who crossed the line by actually take the money.

BiO stepped in and lead Old School in their war with us. Totally ok for me.

BiO waved us and did soften us up before Inso waved us for a second war. Dishonorable because they knew Inso would come after us. However it was Inso again who crossed the line by making it a double hostile.

BiO now raze-kills into our war with Inso. THAT CROSSED THE LINE FOR ME!

For the record, if BiO had raze-killed us at anytime accept in a war with someone else. Than it would had been totally fine.

A question to BiO: When your bulling threats did not work to make us stop robbing you. Do you think this would help you in the future? I think I talk for the entire Utopia community when I say that you just lost the respect we had for you :( Dealing with you in the future cant involve honorable play, that YOU have now made sure. Fine for me, but I thought you actually cared about the charts...

I am not upset nor angry, I am confused of how BiO thinks this will benefit them.....

[citadela01]

@elurin
I am sure there are plenty ppl seein this for what it is ... silent majority and all that.
gl for the rest of the age you will need it, I am sure bio and inso have more crap lined up for you guys. They have to find something to feel good about after bending over to rage and givin up on crown race this age.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Elit, your trolling isn't making much sense. The hypocrisy here is that the "Anti-abs" kingdoms have been having this done to Abs kingdoms for ages without those kingdoms being gangbanged for it. When a kingdom finally does it to both Abs and non-abs alike, then they get gangbanged.

But times have changed; I'm not even taking a side on this current action. Flogger has posted a view that is different than the one Abs has taken, however it seems quite logical and makes sense to me. Maybe he's right and the top should gangbang smaller kingdoms who harass bigger kingdoms from outside of war range now.

Elit's comments on the other hand are always so biased and bitter that they are hard to even gain any useful perspective from. About all that can be gained by reading his posts is that he is anti-abs and his views will flip flop accordingly based on whether it's happening to or by Abs.

[octobrev]

Bio is pretty well known for gangbangs. That's how they win most of their wars.

[TeddybearSTHLM]

Well if Cats think its perfectly fine to rob the top pre-hostile or hit INSO with active hostile then it is perfectly fine for BiO to raze kill into cat's war.

None of them break the rules..but it is not morally right or fair play.

You dont get the same treatment if you treat people like **** in the first place. If they want to mess with people then get to their size and PUSH THE BUTTON.

Hiding behind networth protection and playing Retal wars to block people is not fun.

ok first: Inso was not in an active hostile when we "waved", as has been described several times. Besides, We sent 6 hits into inso at the time, which hardly qualifies as a wave.

2nd: "hiding behind networth protection and retal war blocking"..... say whaaaaat??? If you mean the fight with bio, they waved us, so you think we should just roll over and take it? By no means are we blocking them :D

[Elurin]

They have to find something to feel good about after bending over to rage and givin up on crown race this age.

I think that's what this comes down to. No one likes being a failure, especially competitive people like flogger/baka. By repeating enough times to themselves and their kd's that they truly only had one goal with the age; payback to gc stealing that was done evenly over top 10 in an age where Bio still won, they feel they have a purpose. It's very shortsighted, but very human.

[Elit]

Elit, your trolling isn't making much sense. The hypocrisy here is that the "Anti-abs" kingdoms have been having this done to Abs kingdoms for ages without those kingdoms being gangbanged for it. When a kingdom finally does it to both Abs and non-abs alike, then they get gangbanged.

But times have changed; I'm not even taking a side on this current action. Flogger has posted a view that is different than the one Abs has taken, however it seems quite logical and makes sense to me. Maybe he's right and the top should gangbang smaller kingdoms who harass bigger kingdoms from outside of war range now.

Elit's comments on the other hand are always so biased and bitter that they are hard to even gain any useful perspective from. About all that can be gained by reading his posts is that he is anti-abs and his views will flip flop accordingly based on whether it's happening to or by Abs.

Your post don't make much sense. From one side you agree with flogger maybe they deserve GB from other side you say i'm trolling? Sorry but all what i told in past post is if cats did same to ABS what they did to insolence ABS will GB them. We all know its true. So BIO have good reason to hunt after cats and they have good reason from last age too. 1+1=2 its very simple. I was sure they will end razed. Its not GB for now because its 2vs1.
About i'm anti-abs. I'm compete with abs kds all my utopia life so don't see how i can be pro-abs. If you think my post is a bit ABS unfriendly you know why is it. GB ppl cant make them love you.

[AquaSeaFoam]

Sorry but all what i told in past post is if cats did same to ABS what they did to insolence ABS will GB them. We all know its true.

You claim this, yet there are many examples of this exact thing happening to many Abs kingdoms in the past and I can't think of any case where any of them were ever gb'd for it.

Your kingdom itself once waved Sanc right after Sanc had sent all armies out on another kingdom without sanc having cf'd that first kingdom. I believe in that case, another kingdom waved you while Sanc did not touch you? In that case though Sanc had not cf'd their first fight and even still only one kingdom fought you back since Sanc did not touch you then?

[fwordz]

Insolence seems to be significantly ahead (15k+) without BiO's raze kills. Can someone please give a summary of how that war is going, since Ghetto Cats is claiming victory? I remember SPGC sitting on about 90k acres when they were waved, and are now at <70k.

** Summary **
Total attacks made: 140 (32,074 acres)
-- Traditional march: 122 (29,720 acres)
-- Ambush: 14 (2,290 acres)
-- Conquest: 1 (64 acres)
-- Failed: 3 (2.1% failure)
-- Uniques: 62
Total attacks suffered: 150 (36,123 acres)
-- Traditional march: 139 (33,922 acres)
-- Ambush: 10 (2,201 acres)
-- Failed: 1 (0.7% failure)
-- Uniques: 53

At the point when BIO started razeing. At that point the war resembled any orc vs UD war we had this age orcs get good gains early on, but bleed numbers and NW (from 3.2mill ahead to 1.8mill). We also have had to spend alot of time reinstateing UB's. The war was close still, but we have all reasons to to think we could have won, since the war was in many ways similar to the first one we had with Inso at this point in the war. Will be hard now though.

We finally sent dragon atleast. =)

LoL (Lots of Love)

[Elit]

You claim this, yet there are many examples of this exact thing happening to many Abs kingdoms in the past and I can't think of any case where any of them were ever gb'd for it.

Your kingdom itself once waved Sanc right after Sanc had sent all armies out on another kingdom without sanc having cf'd that first kingdom. I believe in that case, another kingdom waved you while Sanc did not touch you? In that case though Sanc had not cf'd their first fight and even still only one kingdom fought you back since Sanc did not touch you then?

You cant give worst example. Its was age 45. Sanc was in full war mode and BONCEWAVE alone cow in ghetto who just out from his FWr. Core province average size was x2 smaller from sanc core. After get CE/SN and asked in-game king on target kd: are they plan to retal/war, and got reply they wont/cant we waved sanc. Yes they had send his army out but this kind off farm/bully wave I don't recognize for active hostile now or in future. So if you plan to make same be sure you have CF with me first... What happened ? Sanc run in FW. Short before they out from his FWr mercy start rob our gold stoked for dragons. After it sanc come OOW and declare war. During it we was REPORTED from ABS and got 5 provinces deleted in post war, 1h later we got them all reinstalled but sanc was stupid enough to send us msg: we have personal problem with you. So right after post war we waved them again. They had all his army home! Sanc start to look for Fwr again but after didn't find for 5-6h ABS decide its better if you force us to run in fwr and send Mercy to wave us. Good idea but after our armies back we waved for second time Sanc and few h later unknown for me kd waved Mercy with his army home. What you did? Come to complain how I'm so dirty yo ask friends for wave mercy! So both sanc and mercy run in FWr. They did his pump in FWr and short before sanc go out we run in FWr...its complete mess all your plans. So what you did? Come to my Fwr partner and start treat them with GB for giving me FWr! Very fair and honorable!
All this for waving sanc with army out in farm attempt. What I did in return? In post war with sanc started famous AWAr. We tagged in awar but before our post war end, I saw its main GB on rage not pure AWAr. So I talked with you and told we wont be part from GB. Age 50 you return me favor with GB on my new first age kd. So if I'm a bit unfriendly sorry but its result from your "honorable and fair play".