For a day or two, of course not. For any extended period of time, yes.Originally Posted by TheRock
Didn't matter much before with 50% cap, most abusers were shells that would get GB'd anyways. 75% cap changes things quite a bit.
For a day or two, of course not. For any extended period of time, yes.
Didn't matter much before with 50% cap, most abusers were shells that would get GB'd anyways. 75% cap changes things quite a bit.
You're way too nice trying to explain to irrelevants.
He's an f'in poobah, show some respect.
OU a try-hard kingdom like BIO wants to think they are important for a few weeks let them. Cats play the same game every age so good job BIO making sure you have no shot of crowning again in the near future while cats are here to troll your whiney asses lol
BiO aimed for and successfully crowned once, when I asked for a going-away present for 3 years of service to the kingdom when i quit. You forget who you're dealing with, BiO is the queen of grudge. Everyone currently in T3 can vouch for that hahaha
Looking over the consequences of the arguments in this thread and the suggestion thread I'd say this is quite accurate :)
#adrenaline
I find it odd but rather amusing that some say things like "cats had it coming"
What did we have comming?
Several more war wins?
More fun than in a long time?
When is the (whatever it is) coming?
silldy
You have lots of fun coming.
Duh.
Flogger, follow baka's example - the dude is honest. Your excuses are just getting sadder and sadder. Early in this thread people believed your made up data ("we tried diplomacy for whole age" = 2 ingame msg's, "they abused bottom range" = you waved us just OOW at 144% of our size, had you stood still for 3 days while we got to rebuild on our new shiny OS land we'd be in range, etc etc). By now I think even those who initially believed you see through it. Baka is correct - Bio is razekilling cause they can, there is no justification and since it's not against game rules none is really needed.
Last edited by Elurin; 16-07-2012 at 07:20. Reason: grammar
You're trying really hard to convince people that flogger (and every one else accussing you) of lying.
You seem to think that people need to conspire and make lies to find excuses to come get you? Have you considerd of all kingdoms, why it's yours?
Shame there's no court judges here and no legal representatives. It'll make for a great case!
Fact is, every one has their side of the story and the conclusion has been made albeit bias from different perspectives. The best resolve is to deal with it as it should be dealt.
You guys seem to be enjoying the raze killing and we're enjoying the raze killing so I conclude that's resolved and dealt with. Everybody wins.
Last edited by baka; 16-07-2012 at 07:21.
Of course we're not enjoying having our provs raze killed and being unable to fight a kd 1 vs 1 as we would like. What Peto and other's are referring to is that many of you guys refer to "cats crying" and if you read through this thread no such post can be found - it annoys my kd mate that you try to project what you would do in our situation on us. That said, if your purpose is to annoy my kd (which seems to be the case) I can understand why.
You should reread my last post. Initially you (turned about 5 pages ago by Citadela's reasoning) and up until now flogger is presenting justification after justification so it seems to me you really care about what the public thinks of you. Is that correctly interpreted? What I'm saying is continue the razekilling if you must, but stop trying to justify it as the reasoning that has been used has been based on incorrect facts.You seem to think that people need to conspire and make lies to find excuses to come get you?
As for why it's my kd, I can see that we annoyed you last age and this is a way for you to boost morale to keep kd having fun until EoA since you lost age from a competitive perspective. I'm not so good at top politics, but I would assume the continuous attempts to justify it is based on how you foresee other's will treat you - based on this thread any kd can at any time 2vs1 Bio when it's convenient for their cause without justification needed. Golden rule and all that.
This would indeed make a great case for one of those lawyer series :) Btw how do you get those fancy "originally posted by" in quotes? I'm not pro enough on forums, I still didn't discover how to set a signature :/
Baka and I have played together for the past few months but we have completely different styles.
If it wasn't obvious from what I was referring to I was referring to our diplomatic efforts last age. Obviously this age we made a strategy where we weren't particularly looking too badly for a ceasefire this age, we were coming for you as soon as we saw your loc with ops, as you pointed out yourself you got robbed plenty. Getting robbed for days before our age end HoH and Fury fights are why we're here now.
I remember sending a message saying "you can rob my gold all age or you can enjoy warring kingdoms your own size without interference, but you cannot do both." It went unanswered. When people don't respond to my messages I get silly and end up with a buncha elf rogues ;p
The plan was to simply fight an orc kingdom first and having a fun war before throwing the rest of the age away on grudge/FSU type fights. The fact that we were #1 had more to do with elf being broken and never failing dices. At the time we fought HoH and were #1 ABS was 2,3,4. There was at no point I thought we were going to crown this age the second I saw Rage and Sanc run human kingdoms. Our actions looked like we were trying to crown, but that's just because I'm not going to just suck and play badly even when not trying for #1.
Most of what you seem to "get" me on is simply you not understanding what I'm saying.
At the end of the day I believe kingdoms should fight people their own size. It appears you don't. I imagine the fight won't end until you agree that the game is designed for people to fight people their own size, not significantly larger or smaller, however long that takes. Some abs kds are thinking of taking the age off until the devs fix things. I'd rather fight it out than take the age off.
I fought for 8 ages against fed provinces or cows from ages 5-13. There were too many to get them all, but we gangbanged any that hit us for 8 ages straight. When it comes to abuse of rules that I don't like history shows I can be quite stubborn ;p It took a few ages of getting destroyed in a-wars age after age, but eventually people learned not to do it unless they wanted to get drug into a big mess.
Given how lame cows are 40 ages later I'm fairly sure I was right back then, as I'm fairly sure doing ops on kingdoms 3x larger or smaller is lame. If someone says "well top kingdoms bottomfeed on people all the time the past few ages" anyone whose played with me on both the abs side when I played with abs (the rock) or when I didn't (Johnsnowstorm or curdie) got incredibly frustrated with me because I'd ceasefire any ghetto that asked if we hit them.
No one likes to see someone get gangbanged these days, everyone wants to just have 1 on 1 fights. Everyone can see the dead province on your kd page and say "oooh BIO is so mean" but those same people can't see our provinces news all last age. Regardless of the methods, I believe kingdoms should fight people the same size, and you want to powerplay kingdoms way out of your range.
I'm right and you are not.
Do I wish it came to having to razekill you in war to get the message across? Of course not. But nothing else did, so maybe this will. When you get tired of this, which you will before I do, there's a very very simple solution. Stick to showing up in the news of people your own size.
Last edited by flogger; 16-07-2012 at 08:39.
I think you seem to miss the point.
flogger is complaining about the ingame mechanics. That's not your fault and he's not pointing fingers at you. He does raise a very good point though that the mechanics are utterly broken.
flogger is complaining that a kingdom needs to show some respect and fight within their ranges and know when to stop at the line and not cross it. He is of the belief that you have crossed that line.
What BiO did is justifiable in our eyes and probably in our eyes only. We are not trying to set the standard that under specific circumstances that it's 'okay' to raze kill provinces in war. In no way are we making that statement. We are saying that in this situation against this kingdom under these specific circumstances that we feel the best course of action for US is to do what we are doing now.
We felt you purposely chose to ignore our pleas last age. Sure, we won crown but we are guys who hold grudges. We warned that we will strike when it hurts most (refer to the Simians v Ghetto cats thread). And now we are keeping our words.
Arguing about all this is pointless. You and your kingdom mates come across as to not giving a damn about diplomacy and politics so it's no holds barred here on out.
You're correct in a lot of the things you say. Why should top kd's have the luxury to stash huge amounts of gc and not have it stolen? They shouldn't.
Why should top kd's get to defne the rules of hostile and what not? They shouldn't.
Why should Cats stop when asked to politely and diplomatically? They shouldn't.
Well... eventually someone folds and the consequences are herewith.
The only thing that protects the integrity of this game is the matter of Trust & Respect. Ceasefires are meaningless since it's not a game mechanic and therefore not governed by the rules and code of conduct of this game. However, with Trust & Respect, you are building a competitive environment for the game and allows those who wish to play in different levels of it to do so at their desire.
When you break that Trust and Respect, it's no fun for any one.
You chose to do the latter. You have absoutely no respect for the kingdoms that wish to compete at the top. You ignore the pleas and the requests. Is one time not enough for you to stop? How many times do a KD need to ask you?
How badly hurt do you get if you don't get to rob another kd's gc? No one is intentionally trying to hurt you but yet you do so in disrespect.
The fact of the matter is that when you disregard such an important notion to the game, you eventually become an outcast of the system. With all due respect, this is all fine and dandy if that's what your goal is because to each their own, every one has their goals in this game.
But as you pointed out, you do not enjoy the raze killing. You enjoy the wars and conflicts thoguh. You cannot have both. When you start to cross the line and disrespect kingdoms time after time after time then they do not always give you what you want.
I respect a kd like Cats. And I think I've said time and time again over various threads that they play the game similar to how BiO did prior to their crowning ambitions. I don't speak for the other Kingdoms though, maybe they will not go to such extreme levels of 'paying back'. But just as Cats have a reputation to uphold. We have our words to keep.
Last edited by baka; 16-07-2012 at 08:28.
Elurin, truth is most from big kds support what is doing bio and they are happy bio will pay price for get revenge so its work perfect for them. I'm not sure if you really robed bio for 4 weeks or not? But if you rob me for 4 weeks and refuse to stop when i ask result will be same. Just i think i will pk you more effective from bio. They really n00bed it with not coordinate pk with inso war. Its say more or less you had you fair war 1vs1 for 36h and you got your WW so bio didn't affect your war. Now both cats and bio are kds who don't have any goal rest from age. Bio is bigger and they are doing what they have power to do. Forget about justice. Its don't matter. Game is simple in some aspect. Bigger kd can punish smaller kd any time if they want and have time to do it.
Hard to coordinate when I didn't leave my office for 36h, worked straight through the night on Thurs/Friday then came home and slept for 16 ;p
Cats declared right after inso waved, eventhough their armies weren't home. Inso was out for like 13 hours, and then the best time to RK is right before their armies return so the overpop sets in. So the start of RK'ing shoulda been at 24h not at 36h. Slept through the first one.
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