BIO vs ghettocats

[citadela01]

@Flogger&baka
You guys have simply recycled same old arguments allready proven false.

Where are those diplo attempts you keep refering to if baka talked to elurin only once last age about Simians bussines, and flogger contacted him first time last week?

Ingame msgs? srsly ... since when is serious bussines between tagged kd‘s done through ingame msgs? If it was abs KD doing it youd be all over server, I am positive if you aproached Elurin the same way youd come to mutually acceptable agreement just like other kd‘s have managed to do.

Truth is you handled this situation VERY poorly since day one and if anyone completelly failed at diplo levet here it was you.

Anyway what ppl (me included) seem to have issues with mostly is that you continously try to spinn this arround with lies and missinformation. Thats the whole story ...

You failed to deal with sensitive situation in appropriate way and now you flexin muscles over on smaller indie KD actin all badass and whatnot. Hell baka himself said he‘d never gb simians or abs kd over it in same manner ...

long story short, your to blame for situation not Cats even if they were agressor initially.
You failed at every level immaginable here. First at diplo and than at gameplay with failed attempt to farm them out to inso.

[baka]

@Flogger&baka
You guys have simply recycled same old arguments allready proven false.

Where are those diplo attempts you keep refering to if baka talked to elurin only once last age about Simians bussines, and flogger contacted him first time last week?

Ingame msgs? srsly ... since when is serious bussines between tagged kd?s done through ingame msgs? If it was abs KD doing it youd be all over server, I am positive if you aproached Elurin the same way youd come to mutually acceptable agreement just like other kd?s have managed to do.

Truth is you handled this situation VERY poorly since day one and if anyone completelly failed at diplo levet here it was you.

Anyway what ppl (me included) seem to have issues with mostly is that you continously try to spinn this arround with lies and missinformation. Thats the whole story ...

You failed to deal with sensitive situation in appropriate way and now you flexin muscles over on smaller indie KD actin all badass and whatnot. Hell baka himself said he?d never gb simians or abs kd over it in same manner ...

long story short, your to blame for situation not Cats even if they were agressor initially.
You failed at every level immaginable here. First at diplo and than at gameplay with failed attempt to farm them out to inso.

Seems like the only one going in circles is you. lol.

And proven false? I beg to differ! Where's Judge Judy when you need her??

If you have a problem with it, I'm sure you have a province or kingdom somewhere to bring it on right? (unless you already play in cats but I doubt it since you're not as silly as them!)

[citadela01]

Seems like the only one going in circles is you. lol.

If you have a problem with it, I'm sure you have a province or kingdom somewhere to bring it on right? (unless you already play in cats but I doubt it since you're not as silly as them!)

I dont, on hiatus for a few weeks now allrdy.

I do apreciate your arguments tho, you have so much more credibility this way when your not hidin behind lies.

[Koodo]

BiO aimed for and successfully crowned once, when I asked for a going-away present for 3 years of service to the kingdom when i quit. You forget who you're dealing with, BiO is the queen of grudge. Everyone currently in T3 can vouch for that hahaha

I can verify that this is %110 accurate.

Cats I'm not even sure if you didn't mess with BiO that they still won't gun for you in the ages to come, let alone if you start trouble with them in the future of what will happen to you. Fear and intimidation doesn't work on hillbillies with shotguns (biO).

You ever watch swamp people? Well if you haven't it's a bunch of hillbilllies hunting gators with fishing lines and shotguns, most people would fear the gator (Cats), but it's quite obvious you need to fear the hillbillies more.

[fwordz]

the best time to RK is right before their armies return so the overpop sets in. So the start of RK'ing shoulda been at 24h not at 36h. Slept through the first one.

How does is matter when you RK? Think you need to go back to sleep :D

[baka]

How does is matter when you RK? Think you need to go back to sleep :D

He just explained why. Overpop sets in. RK is rarely a 1 wave thing.. need to wait till def goes first.

[protector]

You, along with rest of bio/inso/simians have been VERY vocal about stealing bussines for quite some time. You have been (falsly) accusing them on number of their "sins" ... ofc if you accuse them of acting outside a certain set of rules while you yourself adhere to them it goes w/o saying you aknowledge them and consider them valid.
In the end you went outside the said moral code and did what you did based on the fact that Cats (suposedly) done so first so it was justified move from you.

I am sure that much is undisputable by now.

Since its pretty much been proven over and over again that your accusations have been exagerated to say the least, goes w/o saying that it was you who stepped outside generally accepted behaviour and not Cats.

Searched through some logs, heres what I could find. In my eyes that is considered interfering into an active hostile.

Current age, when we waved Rage on 11th of June. You started hitting 14th.

[05:59] <&XXX> Hour change to June 11th, YR4
[06:34] <@XXX> Your forces arrive at Day Tripper (##:##).

[06:58] <@XXX> June 11 of YR4
[06:58] <@XXX> 38,327 gold coins were stolen from our coffers!
[06:58] <@XXX> June 11 of YR4
[06:58] <@XXX> We have found thieves from Tingeling (##:##) causing trouble within our lands!
[06:58] <@XXX> June 11 of YR4
[06:58] <@XXX> 36,362 gold coins were stolen from our coffers!



Last age, during hostile with Rage:

June 4 of YR5 An unknown province from I N S O L E N C E (##:##) captured 139 acres of land from Stalin the Gentle (##:##).
June 4 of YR5 An unknown province from I N S O L E N C E (##:##) captured 440 acres of land from Osama Bin Liner (##:##).
June 4 of YR5 Our kingdom has begun a Ruby Dragon project targetted at Rage of Absalom (##:##).
June 4 of YR5 An unknown province from I N S O L E N C E (##:##) captured 344 acres of land from Tayyip the Lightbringer (##:##).
June 4 of YR5 An unknown province from I N S O L E N C E (##:##) captured 392 acres of land from Napoleon the Tall (##:##).


[14:07] <@XXX> June 13 of YR5
[14:07] <@XXX> 41,684 gold coins were stolen from our coffers! Shadowlight has revealed that AndTheLivingShallEnvyTheDead (##:##) was responsible for this attack.
[14:07] <@XXX> June 13 of YR5
[14:07] <@XXX> 41,690 gold coins were stolen from our coffers!
[14:07] <@XXX> June 13 of YR5
[14:07] <@XXX> 41,697 gold coins were stolen from our coffers!
[14:07] <@XXX> June 13 of YR5
[14:07] <@XXX> We have found thieves from AndTheLivingShallEnvyTheDead (##:##) causing trouble within our lands!

So with all that in mind ... yes ... kingdoms should be able to fight eachother 1v1.
You have proven to be douchebags in this particular situations and if someone in the future decides to double you/hit into your war and points at your reasoning in this particular situation as reason enough to do it I will nod my head approvingly.

edit:typo

I personally disagree with the route this has taken; I'd have other idea's to do my 'payback' for the hostile interference. You can't blame BiO for this though, as it was Insolence interfering and Cats taking the opportunity to 'run' from BiO. If I was in BiO's shoes I may have continued to hit you as well, especially with the given background. Sure, it is lame, but when you don't let others fight 1v1 you don't deserve much better.

As someone else said earlier, alot of pages ago; part of the top warring simply requires goldstacks for dragons. Since you've never participated in a war between say the nr1 and nr2, you just can't imagine how destructive they are. Having an entire dragon stolen makes a huge difference.
I've fought with smaller warring kingdom as well and it's a lot less intense as a top5 war.

The current system is broken, but that doesn't give kingdoms a wildcard to do whatever they want; sooner or later they'll pay for it.
I was stealing from Rage a few ages ago.. we took quite a bit of money, but knew we couldn't go on forever, so eventually we CFed them. You can't expect to get away with stealing forever.

To whoever commented that stealing unpunished is fine because topkingdoms bottom feed all the time; you're wrong. Neither should go unpunished... the least a whoring, competing topkingdom wants, is to get retalled. Your best defense against bottom feeds is to retal. There are options, but fact is, 9 out of 10 kingdom's doesn't explore their options. They just eat the hit.

[protector]

Lots of hypocrisy here coming from BIO/Inso.
You guys ever heard of a kingdom named Sleepy?

I can't speak for Sleepy, but did Sleepy honor active hostiles? If yes, that's the difference here then (I suppose).
As for hypocrisy; afaik this wasn't coordinated, just Insolence preparing for this. I can't say for sure though since I'm not involved anymore (time issues)

I think there is a better way to educate Cats about that - communication rather than gangbang. Cats players have countered this argument by saying "well what if two kingdoms are about to fight in a week from now, or in a month..do we stay out of that?" Obviously not. The vast majority of notice deals are 48h or 72h, making anything longer than that would defeat the purpose.

What if that failed? Last age there was talks between Abs + non-Abs how to deal with it since communications kept failing and being ignored. I sent a few messages ingame which I never got a reply on. All kingdoms agreed that they needed a lesson and kingdom A said "If kingdom B joins, we will also". In the end it never happened because none of the kingdoms would take the first step or didn't want to risk their crown ambitions I suppose, but please don't try and deny that those chats never happened.

And their counter for the notice period isn't valid because as you say, notices are typically 48 or 72h. Generally informing them of such notice, just increases the amount of gold lost because we'd be busy anyway.

do it for a while, get what you need, offer cf and move on. If not you will draw the wrath of others. For whoring kingdoms this meant, if you farm someone too much they wont just give you free hits, they'll hit you back and you will get deterred from the crown race. Although cats did not move on and kept on robbing (same way Sleepy would do in the past), gangbang is going over the top when you alone are capable of raze-killing. No need to escalate this beyond 1v1 imo.

Doing it during hostiles is lame though (see my previous post)

[Elit]

What if that failed? Last age there was talks between Abs + non-Abs how to deal with it since communications kept failing and being ignored. I sent a few messages ingame which I never got a reply on. All kingdoms agreed that they needed a lesson and kingdom A said "If kingdom B joins, we will also". In the end it never happened because none of the kingdoms would take the first step or didn't want to risk their crown ambitions I suppose, but please don't try and deny that those chats never happened.

If i get it correct Proteus had secret talk about GB indi kd? Well its not his first time to gb indi kd so its ok :P
BTW cats say alot ppl there lie. I cant understand for what they say you gus lie? Are its about they never rob in active hostile? Or its about they never refuse diplo? Or its because they never robed for 4 weeks its was for less? I cant get both sides story. So far ASF admit cats robed them last age too.

[protector]

If i get it correct Proteus had secret talk about GB indi kd? Well its not his first time to gb indi kd so its ok :P
BTW cats say alot ppl there lie. I cant understand for what they say you gus lie? Are its about they never rob in active hostile? Or its about they never refuse diplo? Or its because they never robed for 4 weeks its was for less? I cant get both sides story. So far ASF admit cats robed them last age too.

There was talks about 'how to teach them a lesson'. GB was an option that was pushed forward. General response was "if X joins we will join also". It never happened tho, and afaik the main reason was the priorities. Razing a kingdom isn't exactly priority 1 when you're aiming to win the land/nw crown.

I accused them for stealing from us during active hostile. It happened both in the pre-hostile period as well as during the hostile itself.
I kindly asked to be left alone during our notice period with Rage, but rather than that it was put on hold, it got worse. Apparently they feel it's OK to abuse the situation; we would not touch them at the time because it would disturb our preparation with Rage (and whilst already at a disadvantage in that fight, creating another would be stupid).

[baka]

I was one of few who was against the GB.

I felt it would hurt much more to bounce wave their provs (when bouncing didn't add meter points) and/or to raze in to war.

But I had to wait a full age to get to that unfortunately.

[IVC]

Baka/flogger I don't represent cats, this question is personal curiosity. In all seriousness, how do u see an end to this conflict? And what do u hope to achieve in the long term from this?

[baka]

Baka/flogger I don't represent cats, this question is personal curiosity. In all seriousness, how do u see an end to this conflict? And what do u hope to achieve in the long term from this?

Personally, it ends when all sides agree to terms. Not once has Elurin approached me (as we've approached him in the past) to ask for a resolve. Frankly, your kingdom doesn't want it resolved then that's fine with us as we have no sense of urgency and can go back and forth in-game and over the forums. We'll just raze till eoa and get cheap thrills watching provinces turn green. I hope you enjoy this as much as we are in that time.

Long term? We hope kingdoms like the Cats realize they need to have some respect for other kingdoms and their businesses (refer to my post on page 42). If not, then we look forward to having a grudge match for a long long time.

[Scavenger]

Bigger kd can punish smaller kd any time if they want and have time to do it.

Thanks Elit. Broken mechanic arguments just got flushed.

[John Snowstorm]

Bigger kd can punish smaller kd any time if they want and have time to do it.

Thanks Elit. Broken mechanic arguments just got flushed.

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