Simians Vs Sanc, HoH or Rage

[jstr]

If simians still hold the button on sanc then cant they op them at will after? If that is the case then why cant sanc keep its name as is? When crying about a kingdom tag is what you argument devolves to there really is not much else to say I guess.

The next part after this farm war is over is the crying that will be done when simians bank goes poof.

*passes out logic to the masses*

[Korp]

Intentionally misrepresenting what happened is very lame Palem. I had a higher opinion of you. If you edit your post to reflect what actually happened I will once again have a higher opinion of you. It's improper for a forum moderator to intentionally misrepresent the actions of players and kds in the game. Like it or not, your green title makes you accountable to a higher standard. If you want to make propaganda posts and outright lies, then step down as moderator so it doesn't look like the people running the game are intentionally liars in order to serve their own bias.

You so nub, you should learn what a moderator is before spouting that nonsense.

[Drixx]

Opinions deal with things which are subjective. Facts are objective. It is an objective fact that Sanctuary sent the dragon and hit Simians before Simians hit HoH, and yet in the post I quoted, Palem claims something else happened. Ergo, he objectively posted a falsehood. You cannot have an "opinion" about an objective fact. Something either happened in one order or the other order. It's like saying that in my opinion the sky is brown.

[flutterby]

This is not correct. Palm is fully entitled to his opinion.

edit: bah.

Maybe that's why its so soft and smooth?

[flutterby]

To sum up this thread.

Abs bias say: Actions were justified cause we're almighty Absalom.
Neutral folk say: Simians deserved it/earned it/were naive and stupid not to expect anything else.
Anti-abs bias/simian lovers say: Ehmahgerddd the furst durbble hotile evurr!

I'm neutral and I don't say any of that. I think it's good that there is finally some kind of action in the top regardless of how it had to happen.

Of course not, but it does make 3 kingdoms available to hostile you at the same time. It was stupid to do it, and what's happening now is a direct result of their own actions. If the goal was to just make all 3 train, then stagger the notices, with your preferred target being first.

You might think it's stupid, but long term it could be a brilliant move on Simians part.

[Korp]

Opinions deal with things which are subjective. Facts are objective. It is an objective fact that Sanctuary sent the dragon and hit Simians before Simians hit HoH, and yet in the post I quoted, Palem claims something else happened. Ergo, he objectively posted a falsehood. You cannot have an "opinion" about an objective fact. Something either happened in one order or the other order. It's like saying that in my opinion the sky is brown.

ofc you can just ask jdorje.

[Crazy Pete]

I think Anri's decision was worth the risk, sometime you have to roll the dice. At least he went for #1 then being happy with a 2 or 3 spot. We just wanted the war to redeem ourslelves from last age. Last age was terrible, BiO and Simians had thier way with us , for me the BiO beating was the worst I have ever had taken part of on the loosing end.

We rebuilt and picked a simple race that might cover "questionable" activity since we didn't know how these new guys would pan out. I think we have a solid crew and we really tested ourselves vs BiO, who lots of guys don't like right now but you have to respect thier activity and ferociousness.

We aren't getting ahead of ourselves and counting any egss before they hatch, were more concerned with gaining back some respect at this point then a Crown. I hope by wars end we will have proven ourselves as a formidable foe to the entire server.

[Ezzerland]

It's like saying that in my opinion the sky is brown.

I have a disease in which colors are not properly displayed through my eyes. To me, a "clear blue sky" appears to be a light brown. It's not fun to get corrected that the sky is actually blue when in my view it clearly is not.

[DHaran]

You might think it's stupid, but long term it could be a brilliant move on Simians part.

There is nothing about this move that was brilliant, because a better risk controlled version of this move would have gotten the same results without getting themselves double hostiled, making the move that was actually made just dumb in comparison.

[Deana]

Last week Sanctuary was tagged Happy Birthday Zara and azrael for 4 days. I know that **** was fake. Looking good Hall of Hero's

[flutterby]

There is nothing about this move that was brilliant, because a better risk controlled version of this move would have gotten the same results without getting themselves double hostiled, making the move that was actually made just dumb in comparison.

It depends on how you look at the situation. Might not be brilliant for their kingdom or their goals, but it could be good for the game and that's the perspective that I take.

[DHaran]

Last week Sanctuary was tagged Happy Birthday Zara and azrael for 4 days. I know that **** was fake. Looking good Hall of Hero's

lol come around more often Deana

[Elit]

Elit: You bring the same old stuff that makes you look bad into every thread no matter what the topic is. I guess you are really troubled by your failings and hope that if you post lies enough that some people might start to believe them but instead you just end up exposing yourself as being irrational. Not only do you make yourself look bad, but you keep dragging BIO through the mud when they've hoped to distance themselves from this.

Both BIO and Dreams full waved Rage from their FW. Trying to claim that this is not a double only makes you look like a fool. The papers of both kingdoms full waving Rage are available. Again, there are numerous differences in that situation compared to the current one, however if you want to compare the situations, let's compare.


In that situation, Dreams noticed Rage and called out Rage for a fight in the public forums by posting a thread called "Dreams vs Rage."
See exhibit A: http://forums.utopia-game.com/showth...Dreams-vs-Rage

In this situation, Anri noticed Sanc, Rage, and HOH and seems to have called them all out for a fight including calling Sanc chickens for looking like they might not fight.
See this thread.

In the previous situation, Rage sent Dreams a dragon and hit them 3x and mass robbed them after the notice (given by Elit) expired. Dreams retaliated Rage 3x. No one else hit Dreams and no one had hit Rage before Rage did this.

In the current situation, Sanc sent Simians a dragon and hit them and told them a full wave was incoming. No one else had hit Simians or otherwise initiated anything against simians at this time.

In the previous situation, Elit decided he didn't want to fight Rage after publicly calling them out for a fight and noticing them since by fight time, Rage looked too strong. Therefore, when Rage sent a dragon at him and hit them and started mass opping them, he therefore arranged with another kingdom to make some hits on Rage and then FW that kingdom and both full wave Rage once they were protected from being declared if they gave up the button.

In the current situation, Anri decided he didn't want to fight Sanc after publicly calling them out for a fight and noticing them since by fight time, Sanc looked too strong. Therefore, when Sanc sent a dragon at him, hit him, started opping him, and informed him of an incoming full wave, Anri then tried to quickly wave another kingdom to get out of the fight with Sanc.


So Dreams and Simians share some commonalities in that they both noticed and publicly called out a kingdom, then when the kingdom they called out started fighting them and looked too strong, they quickly tried to get out of the fight. Elit brought in another kingdom to help him in his fight vs Rage while Simians initiated a fight with another kingdom out of their developing fight with Sanc to try and get out of it. Elit played dirty by bringing in a 2v1 to try and escape the fight he called out while Simians put themselves at risk and got themselves 2v1'd trying to escape the fight they called out.

I don't like this colors. Giving notice is legit part from game and its not crime. Using forum is for make all more fun. Its true Dreams decide later to not war Rage and its was not because you are so strong. Sure rage had all possible advantages for this if we loss war there wont be any shame and problem to me, from other side if we win we can get shot for n1. Its why we called rage for war, but at this time part from kd members gone for RL meet and it prolong for so many days. I don't believe in wars if all kd members is not around and care for it. If we miss around 7 people its mean they don't care for n1 and there no reason for me to bother with all problems to war vs kd with big advantage for noting. For this i told you clear we wont war.

From other side you had your Proteus vs Baka forum/irc fight. Baka was so mad on him (for good reason) and told clear he will hit rage if you start relation. So start war with rage had big risk for end it with bio hitting rage oow. Can you tell me what solution will be there? Telling its was arranged from us and get rest abs gb us? Sorry but if i'm going to war for n1 i want clear 1vs1 fight. Its was my second reason to decide for stay away from war with rage.

Sure you used all your stelt for rob us and you wanted to regain it. For this you gave us 24h to decide for war rage. We already had arranged FWr if you push us. So far baka got bored from all this not action and decide to wave rage with 7 hits. This was full legit 1vs1 wave. Because you didn't had open relation with Dreams. From other side Sanctuary did wave on Simians after they open relation with HoH. Its clear different situation and double hostile from Sanctuary. Rage decide to "run" from BIO how Simians decide to "run" from Sanctuary. BIO decide to keep hit rage how sanc decide to wave simians. Yes you can say they did it from Fwr but its YOUR FAIL. Its was clear from begin we will Fwr and you know it very well. Do you think waving simians right before real war is more honorable? Simians dont have ability to retal Sanctuary from his real war vs HoH and rage had full ability to retal BIO.

I still cant understand what wrong did Dreams in all this story. You hit us x3 we hit you x3. You full wave us we full wave you from Fwr. You was perfect aware we will FWr and BEFORE WE START RETAL i asked you : can we retal and you approve it too.
I fail to see how BIO was bring from me when baka announced clear he hate Proteus and rage. Do you think he need to be convinced to hit rage? How you can say i was dirty when all what did my kd is to retal. You can call dirty sanctuary for make retal war with us for 14 days and never push button and refuse same time to make CF. STOP your stupid abs propaganda. I got from it enough past ages. Don't care what you or some other people think for it. ABS broke so many time naps with my kds and did GBs against them. My kds never broke nap or GB ABS in return.

So if you want to call some one dirty go to looking-glass and repeat 100 times YOU ARE VERY DIRTY !

[Elit]

Elit you sound really bitter. Go remake Dreams and double hosile some more kingdoms.

I wont remake Dreams but promise to make all what you accuse me. So be careful what you/asf talk.
You guys never lie so i must make it become true.

[Palem]

He edited and he still couldn't spell my name right :'(

@Drixx
Intentionally misrepresenting things is lame, but I was genuinely under the impression that that was the order of events. I corrected myself later, but if it makes you feel better, I'll even remove the portion that's incorrect. It doesn't really matter though because even in the correct order it's still hauntingly similar to what jdorje slandered my kd as 'dishonorable' for.

@tak3shi
I don't really use the forums as my own personal whining tool. It's fairly well known that there's some bad blood between jdorje and I and I'm happy to leave it at that. The point I'm getting at is that when this is done to Abs, they don't hesitate to cry fowl and call in the alliance. Yet, when they do it it Simians and Simians cries fowl, they're just a bunch of stupid nubs who are getting what they deserve.